RogerD's 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle

[RogerD]

:biggthumpup:Tracked down/bought back on Aug 13, 2009, 40 years later!!

Copy of Craigslist (Relished) ad I found on Aug 11, 2009 :)
https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=4&pictureid=45

August 13, 2009 - money changes hands :)
https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=4&pictureid=46

August 1985 Missouri inspection sticker on the windshield :)
https://www.yenko.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=4&pictureid=47

It's not a SS, never had SS trappings just a 'Malibu'
Blue bowtie on the grill
V8 emblems on fenders
Dick Harrell emblem on the deck lid . . .

Purchased my ’69 COPO/Dick Harrell Chevelle new on Aug 19, 1969 from Bill Allen Chevrolet, NKC, MO.
1st date KarenB in this car Memorial Day weekend May 30, 1970
Asked her to marry me two weeks later and she accepted!
Traded the car off in Oct 1970, engine trouble :(
Married KarenB a few weeks later :)

Car is home Aug 16, 2009 after a grueling 1,902 mile road trip
That's Karen standing next to me and our first date car :)
It’s white now but still Monaco Orange underneath
It will be the original orange again :)
Black interior w/bucket seats now
It will be the original parchment with bench seat again :)

As it looks Aug 13, 2009 and and copies of my original paperwork, saved all these years :biggthumpup:

[Kim_Howie]

Congrates in getting your car back!!!! Another one turns up !!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Xplantdad]

Very cool Roger! I remember that you were looking for it...but you weren't holding out too much hope.

Congratulations!

[COPO_Anders]

This 427 seemed legit.

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq85/COPO_Anders/USASept-06076.jpg

[SS427]

Awesome Roger and congrats on getting her back! Can't wait to see the progression of the restoration and hear the stories. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Bring the Chevelle and your lovely wife to the reunion in a few weeks. We would LOVE to see the car and meet you and your wife!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69L78Post]

Nice, you learn something new everyday. When the car was new, did it carry a regular SS style hood? Do you have any original pictures of the hood and blackout treatment/stripe?

[RogerD]

It had an SS hood and SS wheels - no SS emblems except the wheels ...
The hood had black stripes - Large Chevy "flags" on the front fenders & Dick Harrell emblem on the deck . . .
This is a photoshopped picture of what it looked like new . . .

[mockingbird812]

Big Congrats and welcome to the site! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Did your trim tag have a code 72 for orange paint or did DH dealership paint it that color?

[Dave Rifkin]

[ QUOTE ]
It did have the SS hood but absolutely no SS emblems anywhere on the car. . .
The hood had black stripes - I believe the Dick Harrell emblem on the deck lid was a black rectangle instead of the one shown here (my memory is a bit confused on the DHPC emblem).

http://www.northshoreclub.net/69DHPC/RD_69-DHC_1_2.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Is it me or does the bow tie emblem, the black stripes and the dealer sticker all look like they've been photo shopped and you can see the faint outline of the SS emblems on the tail panel.
Are these touched up pictures of someone else's car so we can get a better idea of how your car looked when new?

BTW, congratulations on getting her back; can't wait to see how things progress.

[Xplantdad]

Yes...he photoshopped the pics so that he could show what it looked like when it was new! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

Wow that's cool. How many 69 DHPC Chevelles are out there?

[GenOne]

I just love this story - Grats!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[RogerD]

Only one '69 that I know of :)
Here's a picture of the Cowl tag on my 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle . . .

[Salvatore]

WOW! This makes my week! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[RogerD]

So, was it legit or was it a fake? If it was fake, I am hopeful the scammer received exactly what he deserved.
My car is legit, I have the original docs from my 1966 Chevelle SS 396 trade in, the original docs on the 1969 DHPC Chevelle purchased on Aug 19, 1969 and the original docs on my 1970 Camaro for which the 1969 DHPC was traded in Octoberr 1970.
I'm a pack rat don't you know - sure pays off some times!!!

This 427 posted by COPO Anders seemed legit.
http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq85/COPO_Anders/USASept-06076.jpg

[1969grb]

Roger, Congrats on finding your original car. What a great story. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Grady http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[DarrenX33]

I learned something I figure. I thought only SS and COPO got 72 paint.

[mockingbird812]

Thanks for the shot of the trim tag. I'm w/ Darren on the code 72 paint, but I'm open to exceptions. I also see the "L" on the trim tag which for a Kansas built car (it was my understanding) indicated an SS Chevelle. Keep the photos and info coming!

[DarrenX33]

That invoice does say Malibu with Special Paint. I would have thought "special" would get a "--" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Neat!

[camarojoe]

If it was a Malibu it should have had lower moldings, and the extended front grill/fender moldings, rather than the wheel lip moldings the SS cars had. What "V8" emblems are you referring to? A standard Malibu would have had "Malibu" emblems on each quarter panel, and of course a Malibu wouldn't normally have an SS hood...Seems strange they'd replace the stock hood with a steel SS hood rather than a fiberglass aftermarket one. I've also never seen a 72 72 code on a 69 Malibu...lots of oddities here.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

A cool car for sure..

[Dave Rifkin]

That car must have been beautiful when it was new; it's a shame someone had to paint it a different color and change the interior.

[RogerD]

It was beautiful indeed!

The photo shopped picture (posted at the beginning of this thread on how the car looked in 1969) shows how my car looked the day I bought it new.
The SS hood and wheels plus the large Chevy crossed flags & one Harrell emblem on thed eck lid.
There were no SS emblems (other than the wheels) on the car . . .

Several friends around my home town (Plattsburg, MO) rode in this car, a few friends with (hot cars) saw the tail lights when we met for impromptu "drag races" at our favorite flat stretches (Hwy 33, a few miles South East of Plattsburg or Hwy 116 at the West edge of Plattsburg).

[Mr70]

Welcome.
By chance have you located the original Buildsheet from under the backseat,carpet or door panels?
Do you have any Bill Allen Chevrolet specific documents for it as well?
It looks like it coulda been delivered from the factory to Bill Allen Chev.as a Super Sport,before being sent to DHPC where it was doctored down,(SS body emblems removed),to be a "sleeper" of sorts and have the 427cid.installed,among other items.
Do you remember if the tail panel was blacked out when you got it?
Good for you for obtaining it back.

[SuperNovaSS]

Is the rearend still under the car? If so, what is the code?


Thanks,


Jason

[RogerD]

Original 12 bolt rear end with 4.10 positrack gears is gone - has a 10 bolt installed now . . .

[RogerD]

Do not have a build sheet at this time . . .
Will pull the gas tank and rear panels when time permits to see if by some stretch one might be there . . .
Original front bench is long gone . . .
Posted a scanned image of the DHPC 'window sticker' and Bill Allen Chevrolet "Customer Invoice" in the previous pages . . .
Also have the original Owner Manual and 12/12 - 5/50 warranty brochure that were delivered with the car . . .


Welcome.
By chance have you located the original Buildsheet from under the backseat,carpet or door panels?
Do you have any Bill Allen Chevrolet specific documents for it as well?
It looks like it coulda been delivered from the factory to Bill Allen Chev.as a Super Sport,before being sent to DHPC where it was doctored down,(SS body emblems removed),to be a "sleeper" of sorts and have the 427cid.installed,among other items.
Do you remember if the tail panel was blacked out when you got it?
Good for you for obtaining it back.

[Mr70]

I was just wondering if you had anymore then what you already posted,to show what it was assembled as from the factory,before being sent to DHPC.
Neat stuff for sure.
Check under both backseat cushions too,as most Kansas-Leeds assemblies have had their buildsheets found there,secured with a hog ring against the springs.
Under the carpet,then both doors & rearside panels too,and even under the rear package tray speaker cardboard,while you have the backseat out.

[69Tom]

That's great Roger. Congratulations on getting your car back. I can't imagine how excited you must have been when you found it. Which I'm sure took some serious research.

Sadly, since the interior is now a different color, the original seats are long gone. And at the least, if they were recovered, they most likely wouldn't have put the build sheet back.

Did your car come with the sleeper dog dish caps, or did it have the SS wheels on it?

All in all, very cool!

[Postsedan]

Roger,

I for one truly do hope your car is the real deal.....however, lots more to learn about it...and why?

I would tend to agree with.... Mr.70

"It looks like it coulda been delivered from the factory to Bill Allen Chev.as a Super Sport,before being sent to DHPC where it was doctored down,(SS body emblems removed),to be a "sleeper" of sorts and have the 427cid.installed,among other items."

OR most likely began life as an SS going down the assemble line....this explains the 72 72 code. Otherwise it would have been a - - paint code.

"Original 12 bolt rear end with 4.10 positrack gears is gone - has a 10 bolt installed now . . ."

You`ll either have to try and find a KK code 12 bolt case. Which are getting extremely harder and harder to find. Or find a dated 12 bolt and add the 4:10`s to it.

Or another guess, is perhaps it was born with a different gear set (3:31 or 3:55) and the 4:10 was part of the DHPC?

Many questions?

Dan.

[RogerD]

Dan - My car is the real deal, just missing a few (key) components - I will plan to restore it as GM built it and as modified by Harrell's shop :biggthumpup:

Bottom line, I have THE 1969 DHPC Chevelle I bought brand new on Aug 19, 1969 - today is Aug 18, 2009 - almost 40 years later on the nose :)
I know it's missing a few (key) components but it will make one heck of a ride for me & Karen even if it NEVER qualifies for the 'hall of fame' :biggthumpup:

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My hat is off to Dan P (1968MotionL88) - he provided a VITAL bit of information that ultimately led to the successful tracking down of my 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle!!!!!
Roger,

I for one truly do hope your car is the real deal.....however, lots more to learn about it...and why?
I would tend to agree with.... Mr.70

"It looks like it coulda been delivered from the factory to Bill Allen Chev.as a Super Sport,before being sent to DHPC where it was doctored down,(SS body emblems removed),to be a "sleeper" of sorts and have the 427cid.installed,among other items."
OR most likely began life as an SS going down the assemble line....this explains the 72 72 code. Otherwise it would have been a - - paint code.

"Original 12 bolt rear end with 4.10 positrack gears is gone - has a 10 bolt installed now . . ."
You`ll either have to try and find a KK code 12 bolt case. Which are getting extremely harder and harder to find. Or find a dated 12 bolt and add the 4:10`s to it.
Or another guess, is perhaps it was born with a different gear set (3:31 or 3:55) and the 4:10 was part of the DHPC?

Many questions?

Dan.

[camarojoe]

If it was a Malibu wouldn't it likely have had a 10 bolt in it originally?... I'd be very surprised if they took a new car and swapped in a complete 12 bolt rear end, put an SS hood on it and SS wheels (if the ones in your photoshop pics are indeed the style it originally had.) not to mention the color, which generally points to an SS-only option. I'd bet a dollar to doughnuts it was an SS car from day one, and they simply removed the SS emblems prior to your purchase.

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
If it was a Malibu wouldn't it likely have had a 10 bolt in it originally?... I'd be very surprised if they took a new car and swapped in a complete 12 bolt rear end, put an SS hood on it and SS wheels (if the ones in your photoshop pics are indeed the style it originally had.) not to mention the color, which generally points to an SS-only option. I'd bet a dollar to doughnuts it was an SS car from day one, and they simply removed the SS emblems prior to your purchase.

[/ QUOTE ]

I am confused here ...

they made "plain" Camaros with 12 bolts and 427's

why couldn't they have made a "plain" Malibu with them?

I think there are too many people thinking in the wrong direction here

he has the original paperwork (it is pictured in the 1st post), the car is the same car, same vin, just 40 years later and some missing parts, why are there so many doubters? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[scuncio]

I guess I don't see how this car couldn't be 'the real deal' - the paperwork suggests it's at least a Dick Harrell conversion regardless of what it started out as. Pretty amazing luck finding this car after 40 years!

[Mr70]

Absolutely Tony..well said.I don't think anyone is questioning that.
I just wanted to take a step back,and look at what it started out as,nothing more then that.I think it's a great car w/heritage ta boot,and didn't mean to take anything away from Roger getting it back.

[scuncio]

Rick, totally agree with you and my comments weren't directed to anyone in particular.

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]

I am confused here ...

they made "plain" Camaros with 12 bolts and 427's

why couldn't they have made a "plain" Malibu with them?

I think there are too many people thinking in the wrong direction here

he has the original paperwork (it is pictured in the 1st post), the car is the same car, same vin, just 40 years later and some missing parts, why are there so many doubters? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes you are confused. No doubt its a real Harrell car, no one's questioning that. We all just want to know what it started out as prior to the DH conversion...it seems like it was more than "just" a Malibu, even before the DH conversion...at minimum it seems like it had SS equipment, and actually the more I look at it everything seems to point to it being a COPO car... Did the car have front disc brakes originally? Oh, and what's the deal with the engine block posted by Anders? Is that the block from this car?

[SuperNovaSS]

I think that was a engine that Rich Pern had. He bought it and found that partial VIN by the oil filter.


Jason

[Mr. Chevy]

Possibly a special order Malibu?? All the same,what makes this car the COOLEST is that it is a REAL Dickie Harrell prepped car!!!! How many of these do you see everyday????

Very Awesome Car and back in the "right hands"

Rich

[RogerD]

I FedExed notarized 'CERTIFIED TRUE COPY OF ORIGINAL' documents in color over to Valerie Harrell that establish a before/during/after ownership chronology on my 1969 DHPC Chevelle as follows:

1. May 21, 1966 - Customer Invoice and window sticker on my 1966 Chevelle SS (paid $3,361.00 new) - really t'd off my foreman at work (Ford Motor Company - Claycomo, MO)

2. Aug 19, 1969 - Customer Invoice and window sticker on my 1969 DHPC Chevelle that shows my 1966 Chevelle SS 396 as the trade in (at $1,859.15 with 105K miles - paid $2,700.00 difference) - just had to have that 69 Orange DHPC Chevelle . . .

3. Oct 19, 1970 - Customer Invoice and window sticker on my 1970 Camaro for which my 1969 DHPC Chevelle was traded in (received a whopping $2,245.95 trade in on the 69 DHPC Chevelle - still owed $1,927.83 on the 69 DHPC Chevelle to GMAC) - note, I'm not a financial genius as you may well have concluded here . . .

These original documents are unaltered and in generally good condition (subject to normal wear and tear from handling over the last 43 years)

I am hopeful that by providing these documents, DHPC will find them acceptable to enable sharing information available from their archives with me on my 1969 DHPC Chevelle!

Air cleaner had no decals, valve covers were chrome, I conclude it was/is a K plant COPO but have only the Bill Allen document to support that.

There were absolutely no SS emblems on the car - just the large size flags on the front fenders and a nondescript Dick Harrell sticker on the deck lid.

It did have the 69 SS hood with chrome 'vents' at the rear - the hood was striped black as shown in my photoshopped pictures - no stripes on the top or rear, I recall the back panel below the trunk lid was black, no SS emblem in the middle.

It had a "Malibu" trim above the glove box, the wheels were 14” SS wheels - currently has 15” RS on the car.

I will never forget clipping a highway construction barrell about 1:30AM early, early one November '69 morning while heading home - when I scrapped the LF fender, the flat spot was there (it's the OEM fender) - bumper shows signs of that encounter as well - I swerved at the last moment - didn't even knock the bbl over but it put a flat spot on the driver fender . . .

[camarojoe]

So you saved all that paperwork but never took a single photograph of the car when it was new or near new? A few original pics would sure be a help now. Any chance you might have any?

I definitely believe your car is a COPO 427...even if you don't!

[RogerD]

Joe - I'm a packrat for sure and I have pictures of my '66 Chevelle SS (3 Polaroids) but have not located one single picture yet on the '69 DHPC. I've asked relatives and friends to search but again, so far not one single picture. I've also asked friends who rode in the car to register and leave comments - hopefully, we will have the favor of their post some time in the not too distant future! I am searching for a fellow from Gallatin who (one early summer evening in 1970 on Hwy 13 between Gallatin and Hamilton, MO) met more than his match. He was driving THE HOT DODGE in Gallatin - believe it was tricked out - never had a chance with my plane/Jane orange V8 Chevelle. . .

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
That's great Roger. Congratulations on getting your car back. I can't imagine how excited you must have been when you found it. Which I'm sure took some serious research.

Sadly, since the interior is now a different color, the original seats are long gone. And at the least, if they were recovered, they most likely wouldn't have put the build sheet back.

Did your car come with the sleeper dog dish caps, or did it have the SS wheels on it?

[/ QUOTE ]

the invoice states " spec. wide stance wheels 14 x 7" I guess that could be either ... but *I* would not think plain dog dish wheel would be considered "special" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif (at least back then when all the "cheapie" cars had them ... )

and to the other person that asked if it had disc brakes or not, the invoice states "large power disc brakes"

also interesting to note is that it included "hood locks", simply reading the laundry list they have on the invoice answers a lot of the questions asked :
http://www.northshoreclub.net/69DHPC/RD_69DHC-3.jpg

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]



the invoice states " spec. wide stance wheels 14 x 7" I guess that could be either ... but *I* would not think plain dog dish wheel would be considered "special" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif (at least back then when all the "cheapie" cars had them ... )


[/ QUOTE ]

Roger has already stated it had rally wheels on it, possibly the ones still on the car.

[RogerD]

Had a set of keys made today using the codes listed on the Dealer Invoice (that detail has been blanked out) - I'll update the post later this evening with the results. I am optimistic they will fit (that will save me the cost of new locks and Ignition switch)!

[COPO_Anders]

I took the pic of the block at SCR9 (2006) when some guys drove in from, was it Texas?, and had the engine for sale. Some people questioned it but I could not see anything strange with it, other than that it was a Kansas block. There is another thread about this engine, which I can´t find, where another member of this board shows more pics of the engine.

http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq85/COPO_Anders/USASept-06077.jpg

[camarojoe]

Hmmm.Very interesting...I remember that motor at SCR. Looks legit to me, but I'm far from a stamp expert. I'm still betting this DH car turns out to be a COPO.

[RogerD]

Would be interesting to determine the casting number and date range on this if it can be routed out . . .
Thanks - RogerD

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
Here's a picture of the Cowl tag on my 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle . . . http://www.northshoreclub.net/69DHPC/DHPC_Cowl-tag.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Welcome Roger and congrats on finding your original car..
Really nice to see you're w/ your original wife too!.

Not absolute but the Cowl Tag 'L' and '72/72' both lead to speculation it was originally an SS car before DH laid his magic hands on it..

Does anyone know of genuine Copo's w/ the 'L' also if any Copos shipped in Monaco Orange or Daytona Yellow had the 72 or 76 on their tags or '--'?.

Also there's at least one known existing genuine Kansas Copo Chevelle isn't there?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[camarojoe]

Fairly certain I've seen at least one other 72-72 paint code on a COPO chevelle. Seems it was at SCR a couple years ago? On orange SS cars I've only seen - - Yet another reason I'm thinking this was more than an SS from the beginning. Any of you Chevelle guys know of any 72-72 coded 69 Chevelles?

[COPO_Anders]

It was a #512 block cast C 11 9

[L72Chevelle]

Great car Roger D. Did you receive a POP with this car when new? For the SYC crew a ? What does AVO stand for? Thanks, Phil.

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
What does AVO stand for?

[/ QUOTE ]
Avoid Verbal Orders...

BTW: RogerD, check your private messages... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Here's a picture of the Cowl tag on my 1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle . . . http://www.northshoreclub.net/69DHPC/DHPC_Cowl-tag.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Also there's at least one known existing genuine Kansas Copo Chevelle isn't there?.

[/ QUOTE ]
I have a copy of a Leeds buildsheet from another member here, it's a "- B" car that was originally Daytona Yellow...shows "1001HA" and "9566AA" on the sheet, and on it's tag (and buildsheet) is listed "AVO 226".

This same member knew of Roger's AVO 227 car long before Roger acquired it or started looking for it...

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Fairly certain I've seen at least one other 72-72 paint code on a COPO chevelle. Seems it was at SCR a couple years ago? On orange SS cars I've only seen - - Yet another reason I'm thinking this was more than an SS from the beginning. Any of you Chevelle guys know of any 72-72 coded 69 Chevelles?

[/ QUOTE ]


Doesn't Mark Hassett have one?

[mp69427]

Pics from some old posts:


http://www.69lm1.com/427mp/closeupheadoff.JPG

http://www.69lm1.com/427mp/closeupangle.JPG

http://www.69lm1.com/427mp/ruler3.JPG

[Keith Tedford]

My buddie's COPO Chevelle, that he bought new, was Monaco Orange.

[Stefano]

I just sold a code 72 72 Super Sport Chevelle project car. I had a Baltimore built Copo Chevelle a while back and it was - - on the trim tag.

[camarojoe]

Seems they could go either way... 72-72 or - -. I'm still putting my money on this DH Chevelle being a factory 427/COPO car.

[Keith Tedford]

Harrell converted '68 COPO Chevy IIs to 427 power, so he was definitely aware of the COPO system and had dealers who would supply him. My Baltimore tag is somewhat different and it is also different from our Baltimore 396 car's tag. It sure would be nice if this car turned out to be a COPO. A real SS car would be nice too. Nice find.

[PeteLeathersac]

Here's the Kansas Copo engine thread from a couple years back that Anders is referring to..
There's obviously controversey over the stampings but nothing is conclusive so the noted Vin worth comparing w/ the Vin of Roger's car..

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/228579/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1

Here also is a Team Chevelle thread w/ the same engine topic..

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-160874.html

Keith, do you recall if your friends Copo had the 72/72 or '--' on the tag?.

And again is the 'L' on any known Copo Cowl Tags or only on SS cars?.

Too bad the original rear is gone as it'd sure clear up some info!.

And Roger, what was the answer on the POP existing or is there any chance there's any paperwork w/ POP imprints still around as it'd probably have the rear code too?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
~ Pete

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I like real cars best...the REAL real ones!

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Harrell converted '68 COPO Chevy IIs to 427 power, so he was definitely aware of the COPO system and had dealers who would supply him. My Baltimore tag is somewhat different and it is also different from our Baltimore 396 car's tag. It sure would be nice if this car turned out to be a COPO. A real SS car would be nice too. Nice find.

[/ QUOTE ]

Heck yeah he knew about the COPO program...that's without question.

http://www.fredgibb.com/images/ZL1-new.jpg

[camarojoe]

He also never took off any SS emblems from the '68 COPO Novas he converted, nor the '68 SS Chevelles he converted, nor the '69 Camaro SS's he converted... so I don't see why he'd go out of his way to have every SS emblem from a coverted '69 Chevelle removed, including replacement of the dash spear to read "Malibu"...oh and replace all 4 factory supplied SS wheels with rally wheels.

Sorry, ain't buyin' that this car was ever an SS.

[Mr70]

Everyone has very good points here and nothing was set in stone,but among other things,this would be the first Monaco/Hugger Orange colored 427 COPO Chevelle,(not to mention a Kansas-Leeds assembly),that most know of that has 72 72 on it's cowl tag.
Others 427 COPO's,(Baltimore assembly),have - - as were considered/assembled as a Malibu.
All Monaco/Hugger Orange 69 Chevelle Super Sports I've seen have 72 72,as dictated by Chevrolet.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/7paints0003.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/7paints0004.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/7paints0005.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/7paints0006.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/7paints0007.jpg


Can anyone lead this topic to a <u>documented</u> 1969 Monaco/Hugger Orange Chevelle Super Sport with - - on its cowl tag,or a 427 COPO w/72 72 on it's cowl tag?

[camarojoe]

I could have sworn there was an orange COPO at an SCR with a 72-72 trim tag, but I may be (and probably am) mistaken. So I guess the only 72-72 COPO Chevelle I know of is this one right here...but I still think that's what it is.

Its quite possible (and IMO, likely) that this particular car doesn't follow the "accepted" norm for trim tag coding due to the low number of COPO cars produced at this plant, in this color. Lots of production/assembly line parts and assemblies for a COPO would parallel what was used for an SS, trim, hood, required options, etc. So it's quite possible the tag was done the same way an SS would be done if whoever was doing it wasn't familiar with the "norm" for coding a COPO car. That's of course if this turns out to indeed be a COPO!

[Mr70]

True..and it does have the right time period showing on it's cowl tag for when other 427 COPO Chevelles have been known to have been assembled.If this is a 427 COPO,the fact that it's a never before seen Kansas-Leeds assembly,(Not Baltimore or even the one from Fremont,Ca.( for Belair62 (http://www.yenko.net/features/2002/January2002.htm) )),may help explain it's quirks.

[L72Chevelle]

Can someone explain this AVO 227 on this tag please. Thanks, Phil.

[Mr70]

I think it's a reference to a large fleet discount order,but can't prove it right this minute.
This could be pertaining to either the special order paint color,as well as a special 427cid. engine,if the dealership was accepted for more then one.

[COPO_Anders]

I remember reading about some COPO´s receiving SS-stearingwheels at the factory, so even the "normal" COPO´s had their quirks.

[camarojoe]

Yep. That's true as well...

[Stefano]

It is an incredible car either way. It is all about what is was transformed into rather than what it started out as, although I too would like to know.

I have seen a Dick Harrell L78 Camaro that was transformed into an L88 ordered approx the same time as some DH COPOs.

Very cool Car. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[RogerD]

Valerie received the notarized "Certified true copies" on the documentation on my 1969 DHPC Chevelle this morning (Aug 20, 2009).
I am hopeful to learn more about the 'confirmation' on my car from the DHPC Organization soon!

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Everyone has very good points here and nothing was set in stone,but among other things,this would be the first Monaco/Hugger Orange colored 427 COPO Chevelle,(not to mention a Kansas-Leeds assembly),that most know of that has 72 72 on it's cowl tag.
Others 427 COPO's,(Baltimore assembly),have - - as were considered/assembled as a Malibu.
All Monaco/Hugger Orange 69 Chevelle Super Sports I've seen have 72 72,as dictated by Chevrolet.

Can anyone lead this topic to a <u>documented</u> 1969 Monaco/Hugger Orange Chevelle Super Sport with - - on its cowl tag,or a 427 COPO w/72 72 on it's cowl tag?

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I have a Monaco Orange COPO in the database that is "blank" in the paint code area...no 72, no -, nothing...simply blank. So, I don't think it's quite exact for (at this time) for us to let the paint code dictate the build...rule of thumb, maybe, but it's not an exact science...

Also, I have 2 Kansas cars listed that are exactly *opposite* of the rule, with an SS showing "- -" and a COPO showing "72 72"...

[camarojoe]

Cool... So that basically means the paint code on the trim tag doesn't really rule out nor confirm anything. Was that 72-72 COPO at an SCR by chance? I'm almost sure I recall seeing one somewhere. Without a buildsheet or original drivetrain, what other clues on a 69 COPO Chevelle can this guy look for? Surely theres still something that can prove this car is what I believe it is.

[COPO_Anders]

I´m not that sure on Chevelle-facts but wouldn´t certain emblemholes or lack of these in the original fenders, combined with the original SS-hood tell us something ? Or did all 1969 Chevelles have identical fenders (with certain holes) regardless of what engine it was equipped with at the factory ?
Also, the original tailpanel on an SS-car has the SS-trim attached in elongated holes, so a COPO with SS trim would have drilled round holes in the tailpanel. Even if the elongated holes have been welded, I think it would be possible to make something out of it.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Mr70]

"Also, I have 2 Kansas cars listed that are exactly *opposite* of the rule, with an SS showing "- -" and a COPO showing "72 72"..."

Nice Rob
But are you saying these two cars are showing this on their cowl tag or paper work?
Also,is that COPO a Kansas-Leeds assembled 427 COPO Chevelle?

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
I´m not that sure on Chevelle-facts but wouldn´t certain emblem holes or lack of these in the original fenders, combined with the original SS-hood tell us something ? Or did all 1969 Chevelles have identical fenders (with certain holes) regardless of what engine it was equipped with at the factory ?
Also, the original tailpanel on an SS-car has the SS-trim attached in elongated holes, so a COPO with SS trim would have drilled round holes in the tail panel. Even if the elongated holes have been welded, I think it would be possible to make something out of it.

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Rear trim is the same on a COPO/vs. SS with the exception of the SS emblem, but the problem is, this car was likely dressed up as an SS by a previous owner (based on the large "SS" painted on the glass in the OP's first pic) so even if it has holes for SS emblems today, that doesn't convince me they were they were from day 1. Now with that said, if there's no evidence the rear tail panel ever had an SS emblem/holes in the center, I'd say that's a very telling sign. Roger, did the car ever have any emblem of any sort in the center of the tail panel when you bought it new, or just the Chevelle/DH emblems on the deck lid?

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Cool... So that basically means the paint code on the trim tag doesn't really rule out nor confirm anything. Was that 72-72 COPO at an SCR by chance? I'm almost sure I recall seeing one somewhere.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yessir...I would be hesitant to say yea/nay based on the paint code alone...as with any statistic, there's always those outlier numbers. I'll have to check my notes about any 72-72 car @ SCR, but they're at the other office, and I may not make it there today...I'm thinking I'll drop by the auto mechanics class this morning at the local high school with some "eye candy"... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[ QUOTE ]
But are you saying these two cars are showing this on their cowl tag or paper work?
Also,is that COPO a Kansas-Leeds assembled 427 COPO Chevelle?

[/ QUOTE ]
Cowl tags on both, build sheet on one (haven't seen it personally yet, though)...and yes, Leeds cars.

[427.060]

What does Mark Hassett's orange COPO have on the trim tag? I saw the car mentioned here but don't recall reading anything about his trim tag.
James

[RogerD]

There were NO SS emblems outside (except the wheel caps) or inside the car & no decals on the engine or air cleaner.

Black stripes on the hood, hood locks, large crossed flags on the front fenders, black tail panel as depicted in the photo shopped picture and a single "Dick Harrell" emblem on the deck lid . . .

[RogerD]

More documents to Val today . . .

There were no SS emblems in the center of the rear panel - no, nada, nothing . . .

One of the previous owners stuck an SS emblem on the grill in front and also an SS 396 emblem in the center of the rear panel - they are now gone ...

I've related an incident to certain DHPC folks that occurred during the first 12K miles - while the car was at Bill Allen Chevrolet for warranty work, they banged up the hood, top and rear deck lid (without telling me). They repaired them, repainted with a coat of primer + a coat of orange + black hood stripes (without telling me). I noticed the stripes on the hood were flat black when I picked it up but it didn't register - just thought they gave it a good wash and took all of the wax (I waxed it almost every weekend) off and now it was fresh. About two weeks later, I noticed the black stripes were cracking and the orange on the hood, top and deck lid was doing the same. Took it back, asked the service writer about it - he says "we didn't do that" - I escalated to the shop manager and he says "we had an accident - the hood was laying on the top and slid off - had to repaint it, the top and deck lid"! I was furious but to no avail - they offered to clean it off, furnish me a 'free' rent car and repaint it - I had no choice but to accept.

Tonight, I sanded through the cross piece in front of the hood and bingo - multiple layers of paint . . .


More confirmation, like the barrel I clipped in Nov 69 and put a flat spot on the LF fender . . . :beers:

[Schonyenko2]

Did you get a full factory warranty 5yrs/50k miles, or 90 days? Did you get to meet Dick H. and the guys from the performance center? I've always thought that there should be way more of these cars out there than have been found. Dick had to be running quite a few through the shop to keep the doors open. Did you see any other 69's there being converted or worked on. Maybe you could shed some light on cars that havn't been found, or even known to exist. I knew of a 69 convert 427 Chevelle that ran the streets up here that came from that area. It had emblems on it similar to yours. Ever see it down there?

[RogerD]

There were two other Dick Harrell cars on Bill Allens lot the day I bought my 69 Chevelle - one was a Camaro for sure but I don't recall if the other was a Chevelle or Camaro. Don't know of any other DHPC cars and have never come across a single one out in the real world. . .

A friend loaned me a "Chevrolet by the numbers" book this evening - I noticed the following in section #2, 1969 Engine Code Identification:

MODEL . . . ENGINE . . HP . . TRANS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .SUFFIX
Chevelle . . 427 . . . . 425 . . COPO 9562 4 SP. . . . . . . . . . . . . MP
Chevelle . . 427 . . . . 425 . . COPO 9562 TURBOHYDRAMATIC. . . MQ

The Bill Allen Customer Invoice specifies Motor number "TO409 MP" :biggthumpup:
I suspect a typo somewhere . . .

[camarojoe]

Yep, I'd say so... MP or MQ. Either one would be a COPO 427 code. Proof enough for me this wasn't any SS or Malibu...Awesome! Hope you have plans for a professional resto on this car, its gonna be a killer! Congrats!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[bkhpah]

The Yenko Chevelle we are working on has - - for its 76 Daytona Yellow paint. We have restored a number of DH cars, including a Fathom Green 427 COPO Camaro. So without question DH used COPO cars..BKH

[RogerD]

I've been advised that the Colvin book has a typo and the correct code for the 69 COPO with auto trans is “MP” :biggthumpup: So, my car started out in life at the KAN (Leeds) plant as a COPO, was delivered to DHPC some time after the 3rd week of July, 1969 where DHPC did it's magic.

DHPC removed the AIR equipment, plugged the AIR holes in the exhaust manifolds, marked the harmonic balancer at 40 degrees, removed one of the two distributor weights, timed it at 38 deg/3,000 RPM, installed a Sun tach on the steering column via stainless steel hose clamp, installed hood locks and painted hood stripes, installed the large V8 emblems on the sides and the DHPC emblem to the deck lid, generated the "Dealer to Whom Delivered" (Bill Allen Chevrolet) MSRP "Window Sticker" that I still have (40 years later). Then, delivered to Bill Allen Chevrolet (perhaps the 2nd week or into the 3rd week of August) to be sold, I drove by Tuesday, Aug 19th, 1969 on my way to work (Whitaker Cable - about 3 or 4 blocks down the street from Bill Allen Chevrolet) and bought it (BRAND NEW) :biggthumpup:

The Yenko Chevelle we are working on has - - for its 76 Daytona Yellow paint. We have restored a number of DH cars, including a Fathom Green 427 COPO Camaro. So without question DH used COPO cars..BKH

[Keith Tedford]

Colvin's book is definitely wrong. We have the MQ code engine and ours has the M20 behind it. What a car to get back. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[camarojoe]

Did I mention this is awesome? Not only is it indeed a COPO, tweaked by Dick Harrell, but its also documented with that Bill Allen invoice. Not too often one has to convice an owner his Malibu is really a COPO, it's usually the other way around! You should be very excited!
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[Keith Tedford]

I used to have people walking away in mid conversation when I mentioned having a factory 427 Chevelle. They thought that they were being BSd. Can't blame them. These cars did indeed come with the 5-50 warranty. I don't know how GM looked at them after being modified by others. I still got warranty work done after installing headers with no problems. If everyone keeps beating the bushes, a few more might just show up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Schonyenko2]

It's interesting that the Allen invoice is written up the way it is. Dealer invoices usually use COPO nomaclature like "special high performance unit" rather than 427/450 hp. It's written up kinda like a Yenko window sticker that wanted you to think it was a transplant. I wonder if Dick H. was doing the same thing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
I wonder how this Allen invoice looks compared to what Ray Morrison has from his Gibb/Harrell Nova.
Has there been new documents found from DHPC? It was my understanding that they were lost in a flood and none existed. Is Valerie H. saying she has docs on your car and maybe others? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Keith Tedford]

Being an original owner, Ray would be a good one to talk to. My bill of sale shows the 9566AA option and the price I paid. Back in '69, I was pretty sure that the Yenko Chevelles were based on COPOs but I don't believe that they were advertised as such.

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
It's interesting that the Allen invoice is written up the way it is. Dealer invoices usually use COPO nomaclature like "special high performance unit" rather than 427/450 hp. It's written up kinda like a Yenko window sticker that wanted you to think it was a transplant. I wonder if Dick H. was doing the same thing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif


[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I'd say that's pretty much been confirmed by the fact the original owner believed for 40 years that it was a Malibu that was converted to a 427 by Dick Harrell. He never knew it was indeed a factory installed 427 until yesterday.

[Schonyenko2]

[ QUOTE ]
Being an original owner, Ray would be a good one to talk to. My bill of sale shows the 9566AA option and the price I paid. Back in '69, I was pretty sure that the Yenko Chevelles were based on COPOs but I don't believe that they were advertised as such.

[/ QUOTE ]

The above statement is what I'm refering to. It was listed out with COPO, and RPO codes through his dealer invoice. Yenko was a licensed mfg of sportscars. He could write his own window sticker like on the deuces. Harrell was doing transplants, and modifications. He was not a mfg like Yenko, or Shelby. I would think a Bill Allen invoice should look like Keith's, or Grady B's rather than one with no COPO, or RPO codes. I'd think somewhere there should be an invoice with factory codes, and specs. This one looks like it was typed up by Allen at the time. How did they square that with GM?
I'm not doubling the car, or Roger, or the fact that it's a COPO, but I can't see the GM factory window sticker matching the Allen invoice. Nor do I see any mention of DHPC mods prior to sale which probably would have voided the factory warranty. Ray's had 90 days.I simply find it unusual, and perhaps the only evidence of how Dick worked with Allen.

[Keith Tedford]

Around here it was common for dealers to remove the factory window sticker and type up their own. We always figured that they were hiking the option prices in the process. Why else would they go to the bother. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Very Chttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gifL the MP Suffix is noted on the original sales docs!.
Note the engine build date is one day later than the loose Leeds Copo engine of the previous thread here...how's the Vin compare?.
Also are these Tonawanda dates the same or close to those of know Copos built elsewhere?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/228579/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1

So this brings the Leeds Copo Chevelle total to at least 3 possible counting Roger's, the loose engine car also the one Rob has info on..
It'd be nice to compare Vins of all also the Cowl tags of Roger's and the one in Rob's database..

Any luck on the POP or imprints Roger?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[COPO_Anders]

The engine in the Convincer II was built about a week earlier. The Convincer seems to be one of the earliest built COPO´s, after the Yenko´s that is.

[1969grb]

I am pretty sure that the build date of the motor in my Chevelle is 410. I will double check tonight.

Grady http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[RogerD]

The holes for the SS396 Emblem on the rear panel have burrs and are still bright metal from having being fairly recently drilled. Lots of factory applied Monaco Orange overspray is still present in the interior compartment.

The RF and LF fender are not pierced where an SS emblem would have been installed.
The LF fender does have drilled holes from an old body shop visit - bondo is visible from the repair (not where the piercing would be on an SS fender).

The VIN number found beneath the heater core cover is the same as the VIN plate on the LH side of the dash.

The SS grille is held in loosely with only a couple of screws - most of the clips on the grille are broken.
Remnants of the two black hood stripes are evident on the nose of the car. You will notice multiple layers of Orange and Black . . .

Multiple layers were the result of a shop accident at Bill Allen Chevrolet when they replaced the OEM engine at around 12,000 miles and repainted the hood, top, deck lid and nose piece.

[Kim_Howie]

Roger, I understand you contacted the Harrell site. What info did they help you with. Kim

[RogerD]

I'm pleased to report the following (based upon a statement from copoloco) and a subsequent post by Valerie . . .

"Originally Posted by copoloco Aug 26th, 09, 12:06 PM
. . .The paperwork is verified (thru her mother who actually typed up the window sticker) it's the car that needs to be inspected. . . ."

Valerie has apprised me that
"Originally Posted by Valerie Aug 31, 2009 11:09 AM
RogerD,

I can guarantee Elaine Harrell and "Copoloco" Tim Lopata are trusted and valuable sources!"

[sYc]

And how much did that cost you? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Seriously, why are you messing around with those clowns (not Elaine Harrell)? You have one of most documented super cars to be discussed on the Internet in quite some time. You know its real, the majority here, as well on the Chevelle site, believe it’s legit, what else do you need?

The folks connected with the DH site cannot even agree who their “experts” are. At one time Jim Elgan AKA JE, a charter member of the DH Hall of Fame, was one, Valerie, Pulde and others posting that he was always around the shop doing odd jobs, and the best part, drove all of the ’69 ZL-1s from Gibb Chevrolet in LaHarpe to Dick’s shop in KC. Now, no one remembers him, not for sure what he did. I could go on here, but I think you see where I am going with this.

You need to understand how this whole “record” thing works. You can either do as we have done on here, sharing our information for all to see, so all can search for that elusive “barn find” or keep the information private, chasing the cars yourself. By not showing what you have, no one really knows what you have, thus you can wing it as you go, stating the records show whatever you would like for them to say. And finally, as in your case, making folks such as yourself believe that they have something, or can verify something, dragging it on like it is rocket science, when it should take all of 5 minutes to check their records, all of this scam to eventually extract a “fee”.

You see, I have a crate full of Yenko paperwork, which took about a week to sort, putting it into a workable order. Unless away from where we keep the records, Rob or I can answer a VIN question in 5 minutes or unless, do it quite often, and for FREE. Even though the paperwork was not free (paid for by the Clary family), I am proud to say myself nor the sYc has ever recieved a cent for helping verify a car, because there is more to this hobby then egos and $$$.

Ironically, this morning I verified a ’67 Yenko, found on Craig’s list. Located, and now saved from the crusher, because our information is posted for all to see.

Now, quite worring about what others think and get busy restoring the car for you and your family to enjoy. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[RogerD]

About $12.00 and pocket change so far. Looks like I'm caught between two warring factions here - hope I can make it through with stepping on a mine or falling into a bottomless pit . . .

I'm one of those 'show me' Missouri boys so I like to have an agreement in writing regarding 'fees'.
I'm also not one willing to pay for 'blue sky' so won't be spending any $$ in that manner.
I appreciate your comments and take due note - THANKS!

I'm willing to share what little information I have - nothing asked and nothing expected in return.
Just keep me pointed in the right direction - I'm just a novice (at best) at this stuff!


And how much did that cost you? :dunno:
. . . Now, quite worring about what others think and get busy restoring the car for you and your family to enjoy. :3gears:

[bkhpah]

Man I tell you, you can just see the inner orange wanting to come out on that car...It will be something once again. All these theories passing around this car amaze me. Every DH car we have ever worked on other than some simple emblem changes to 427, nothing was done to conceal its original identity. In other words, the SS cars were never made to look like non-SS cars. And the COPO cars were left as such, not made into SS cars. We have restored BOTH versions The idea that some think this car was an SS changed to a Malibu is simply wrong. SS hood and 14X7 rallye wheels SS body trim NOT Malibu and Malibu interior trim, all add up to COPO..BKH

[RogerD]

You are absolutely right, the Orange is just busting out at the seams along with the black hood stripes.
Just can't wait until it is properly dressed once more!
It turned heads in the day and it will again - eye popping Hugger (Monaco) Orange - can't wait, can't wait, can't wait . . .

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
You are absolutely right, the Orange is just busting out at the seams along with the black hood stripes. Just can't wait until it is properly dressed once more! It turned heads in the day and it will again - eye popping Hugger (Monaco) Orange - can't wait, can't wait, can't wait . . .

[/ QUOTE ]

"Git r dun" and come stretch her legs a little at the next SCR. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm willing to share what little information I have - nothing asked and nothing expected in return. Just keep me pointed in the right direction - I'm just a novice (at best) at this stuff!

[/ QUOTE ]

Then you're on the right side of the fence HERE Roger. Welcome home. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[camarojoe]

[ QUOTE ]
Man I tell you, you can just see the inner orange wanting to come out on that car...It will be something once again. All these theories passing around this car amaze me. Every DH car we have ever worked on other than some simple emblem changes to 427, nothing was done to conceal its original identity. In other words, the SS cars were never made to look like non-SS cars. And the COPO cars were left as such, not made into SS cars. We have restored BOTH versions The idea that some think this car was an SS changed to a Malibu is simply wrong. SS hood and 14X7 rallye wheels SS body trim NOT Malibu and Malibu interior trim, all add up to COPO..BKH

[/ QUOTE ]

Agreed! Exactly what I've been saying all along. Hard to believe there are still people trying to rain on this guy's parade. (well, maybe not TOO hard to believe..) I can't wait to see this one restored and at SCR... I'd say this is one of the biggest finds of the year. Congrats Roger!

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[RogerD]

No holes present (where an SS fender emblem would have been) - hood lock's were installed on via Harrell's shop . . .

[scuncio]

Cool, keep the pics coming! Looks like someone installed an A/C dash cluster at some point.

[RogerD]

Could be - wasn't an A/C car - heater box was and still is a non A/C box . . .

Cool, keep the pics coming! Looks like someone installed an A/C dash cluster at some point.

[RogerD]

I pulled the heater cover on the engine firewall side to determine if the VIN numbers were stamped there and found the last 8 digits of VIN were there indeed, upside down as expected!

Regarding updates (from the DHPC site) - for the most part, I'm on my own now . . .
My sincere THANKS to Valerie for her efforts to find details on my 69 Dick Harrell Chevelle. If only I could turn back the clock about 40 years to have snapped a few pictures and perhaps press Mr. Fieden for a few copies of the related documents that day at Bill Allen Chevrolet . . .

Most of the details are etched into my memory so the restoration process will not be exceedingly difficult. Fortunately, period components are readily available to replace those missing components (engine, transmission, rear end, seats) that were removed so many years ago. It won't be possible to do a matching numbers restoration but restoration with the same function, fit and form components is a 'can do' . . .

Valerie, at your convenience may I kindly ask that you return the notarized documents loaned at your request to DHPC, please?


VIA DHPC Site:
Hello Roger!

We have searched the Dick Harrell Performance Center files and are unable to come up with any Dick Harrell Performance Center (DHPC) or GM documentation regarding your specific vehicle. This does not mean, however, that your car did not receive some sort of attention at the DHPC since our files are not 100% complete. It appears that you have a very unique Chevelle and you also have an impressive amount of documentation. As in most cases, the ultimate document to find is the GM shipping invoice that went to the dealer that lists all of the options. I regret that we are unable to provide any more information regarding your vehicle. If, in the future, we are able to find anything we will be glad to share it with you. You are to be congratulated on your perseverance and dedication in locating and documenting the car. Good luck with your restoration….

Valerie Harrell
https://www.yenko.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=90555&stc=1&d=1489100193

[RogerD]

Picking up a few parts for the resto project as I find them . . .

Item#.....Part Desc.........................Location
1 ..........NOS GM SS Grille................Chicago, IL
2 ..........NOS GM Floor Sills..............Chandler, AZ
3 ..........NOS GM LF Fender & Left Qtr panel..Charlotte, NC
4 ..........NOS GM RF Fender..............Indep, MO
5 ..........NOS Chevelle Script............Wichita, KS

Absolutely GREAT, GREAT bunch of guys to deal with on these parts
Looking forward to meeting them if/when the chance comes up!!
They all have very interesting projects of their own . . . http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[firstgenaddict]

Tony Nausieda (sp)- SCUNCIO has a Monaco Orange COPO Chevelle...

[RogerD]

Would be nice to chat with him - know how I could contact him or perhaps, have him contact me?
Tony Nausieda (sp)- SCUNCIO has a Monaco Orange COPO Chevelle...

[427.060]

Roger, his email listed in his profile is [email protected]. I would try that first.
James

[firstgenaddict]

Looked up some info on Tony's (SCUNCIO) car...
it has a - - Paint code.

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Looked up some info on Tony's (SCUNCIO) car...
it has a - - Paint code.

[/ QUOTE ]
Actually, the paint code portion of Tony's trim tag is blank...

[hvychev]

I do not post much here anymore, so I just found and read this whole thread right now. WOW!! Definitely warrants a post! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Roger, I have a few questions. First why did you choose to buy a Harrell car? Had you ever heard of him before then? Did the name and the set up of the car mean anthing to fellow street racers in your town? What made you not change the wheels?

The question I would love to know the most is how did you locate the car? Did the owner who had it know anything about what the car was or that you were the original owner?

[RogerD]

I was working a few blocks down the street from Bill Allen Chevrolet - passed by the dealership to and from work each day. My trusty old '66 SS396 Chevelle was getting tired (105,000 miles) and I had the itch for a new car in late July early August '69. As I drove by that Tuesday morning (Aug 19, 1969) an in your face orange "Dick Harrell" Chevelle along with two other "Dick Harrell" stickered cars had just been rolled out for display. I just couldn't resist pulling in to take a quick look before going on to work that morning. A couple of hours later, I drove away in it - on to work.

I knew of Dick Harrell and his active role in the drag racing scene of the time. When I saw the DHPC 'Dealer to whom delivered' document with the car that morning, I was floored and I was hooked - A 427CI/450HP chevelle! I had been recently contemplating replacing my tired 396/325 with a 427 but the orange DH Chevelle changed my mind on the spot that Aug 19th morning!!! My old '66 was paid for, I had a good job with Whittaker Cable as manager of their automotive cost engineering division (they made wiring harness assemblies for GM, FOMOCO, Chrysler and AMC) and my credit with GMAC was good so . . .

None of the locals in my farming community (about 50 miles NE of Kansas City) knew the pedigree of my Chevelle but quickly found out that it was unbeatable in the typical late evening 'flats' racing events that occurred on a fairly regular basis.

Can't wait until I have it up and running again!!!

[DarrenX33]

Were the other cars Chevelles? Color? Built the same as yours? Cool story Roger.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[RogerD]

Locating the car was a long series of efforts over an extended 12 year period . . .
Lots of research, lots of looking, lots of dead ends, a bit of fact here and there, help from friends, help from strangers . . .
Research via MO DMV, research via county tax records, research via Obits, research via google, research via googlemaps, research via Bing and from time to time a prayer.

In the end, I'm convinced the prayer made the difference, brought it all together :)

[RogerD]

Don't recall for sure the colors or if the other cars were Camaro's or Chevelles. I do believe one (if not both) were Camaros.
My eye was taken by the brilliant orange Chevelle . . . :)

[Xplantdad]

Awesome Roger! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[SS427]

Neat story! Can almost picture the scene 40 years ago perfectly. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[RogerD]

To expand a bit on a question inquiring about an 'exact' accounting as to how this Chevelle made it's way back to me, not too short but exactly as it happened:

1. I located the last Missouri owner of record in November 08 via title search with MO DMV utilizing the VIN (off my original documents)

2. I contacted the last owner of record and traced the car (utilizing a single thread of information he provided) via public tax records and published obits to a farm in Independence, MO where the car was stored for many years.

3. I traced the car from the farm to the owner of record in Illinois who posted the car for sale on Craigslist via the unknowing help of an individual (Dan Palchanes). Dan emailed me out of the blue asking "By chance was your VIN NNNNNNNNNNNNN?" - I responded to Dan but never answered or confirmed his question. He never answered back and I intensified my efforts. I concluded that if he came up with the VIN somehow, the car must be out there.

5. I was checking google, eBay and Craigslists (throughout the US) trying to find any small thread or indication of where the car was located (I had never disclosed the VIN or any portion thereof on any of my posts at this point).

4. End of July, first week of August - I located an old expired add for a "1969 Chevelle- Project Car" on a consolidator's website - completed a 15 page survey before it displayed the old, expired add - my VIN number was posted in the body of the add and so was the Illinois location.

5. It's now the second week of August, I was up every morning at 5:30 (mi wife was ready to shoot me) checking all new "1969 Chevelle" listings, emailing, calling, eliminating them one by one.

6. On Aug 12th, a new listing from Aug 11 at 4:31PM popped up in the Chicago Craigslist - it had my VIN and pictures - looks very promising.

7. I emailed the seller three times before noon that day - he called me about 3:30PM, we talked and agreed to meet the next afternoon (may be a bust, may be a hoax, may be for real, please - a little prayer about now . . . )

8. Change of plans, couldn't find a flight Thursday morning - had to leave by 7:30PM that same day - called the owner and changed the meeting time to 7:30AM meeting the next morning (Aug 13, 2009)

9. Aug `13, 2009 at 7:30AM, when he raised the storage unit door I saw a chevelle with peeling white paint, bright orange peeking out from beneath and a very old Missouri inspection sticker on the lower left part of the windshield.

10. Aug 13, 2009 at 7:40AM - I asked the seller if he had title - he pulled out a Missouri Lien release dated 2005 that showed the same owner of record to whom I had traced the car as far back as 1983 - then he presented a lien free Illinois title.

11. Aug 13, 2009 at 7:50AM - We concluded our transaction and he signed over the title along with a bill of sale. My little prayer was answered at this point!

12. Aug 13, 2009 at 10:15AM - Pushed the car out of 3005 and into 3008 storage unit (3 doors down from previous owners unit) and secured it. First thing I did was to scrap a small spot on the driver's front fender - found a small quarter sized flat spot - I put the flat spot there in November 1969 when I clipped a construction barrell on the way home.

I've left off the trip back home and return trip to pick up the car but that's another story . . .


Roger,

This is indeed an exciting find. Can you please explain something for me? I would like to know the EXACT account as to how this Chevelle made its way back to you. I really am not interested in all the efforts you made over the years but, I already read that but rather the exact details about how the car made it back into your possesion (e.g. ran the vin, located previous owner etc.). I love these stories.

[427.060]

Great story Roger.
James

[Rixls6]

Definitely a great story. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
C'mon, give us the rest of it now that you started. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[RogerD]

The rest of the story . . .

My friend, Ken H. was great company on the trip. A very long drive each way - McD's Expresso was just the ticket to give me that extra boost.

Each time we stopped for gas on the way home, someone would always walk up and inquire about the 'white SS' and the question would come up, 'want to sell it?'.

Killer trip, GREAT trip, an abundance of memories came flooding back on the way home. Just couldn't resist contacting old friends from back in the day and family to give them the news - what a trip . . .

[jeff morocco]

OTTAWA ? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?
just my luck ! awhile back my old company was building a walmart store on rt23 and i80. some local guy saw the chevy emblem i have tattooed on my leg and asked if i was into old cars. i said yes and he then asked if i was interested in a white 69 SS chevelle that his buddy was thinking about selling. he said its in storage now and has been sitting for a long time. i said that i already have a chevelle, maybe in a couple years when my kids get old enough i'll start looking for something. this has to be the same car. that was probably the only time i will ever come close to owning such a rare and cool car. just my luck. i guess if that happens again, it just may be worth looking into.

congrats on finding your old car !!! an awesome story and by far the coolest car to be found in some time !!!!

[RogerD]

Could have been the very same car but . . .

My '69 would most likely never have been anything other than a misidentified SS396 car to anyone other than me. My original Dick Harrell 'MSRP' and Bill Allen 'Customer Invoice' prove my car was a KAN COPO and that Dick Harrell modified it while 'new' in 1969 from a COPO to a "Dick Harrell Chevelle".

The new DHPC org checked their archives from the original Dick Harrell org but found nothing on my specific car. Apparently, there are gaps in the document archives or their search failed to find the corresponding documents. At least they gave it a try and I do appreciate their efforts . . .
My guess is that documents will be found some day but perhaps not in my lifetime. . .

The new DHPC org (along with former employees of the original Dick Harrell org) have stated publicly on several occasions 'no 69 Dick Harrell Chevelles' for several years. The documents I have along with my found '69 COPO/DH Chevelle proves otherwise.

[JChlupsa]

[ QUOTE ]
My guess is that documents will be found some day but perhaps not in my lifetime.

[/ QUOTE ]

Your DOCs are the only ones needed to prove what you have, why bother with asking someone else to see if they have anything when yours Show without a doubt what the car is

Neat story on how you got the car back by the way, congrats http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Here is a trim tag from a 69 Chevelle code 72 built one week before your car.

[Kim_Howie]

This car has org. paint and was SS 396 325 or 350 Hp car.

[RogerD]

Kim:

Missed the Cowl Tag - was it attached?

[Kim_Howie]

Roger it's the one above my last post. Hit the red attached area Kim http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[scuncio]

Kim, what's the code to the right of the date code?

[Kim_Howie]

I don't know. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Johnny D owns the car. I asked him the other day if could have got a worse picture of the tag, he said it's hard to get picture with the hood on the car. I will call him and find out. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Mr70]

Fisher body internal tracking number.Meaningless once it left the assembly line.

[Jeff H]

What a great story! It sure looks like there were some Kansas built COPO Chevelles. GM record keeping really turns out to be pretty lousy. Doesn't the GM of Canada documentation on the COPO Camaros mention the L78 being part of the order process before being substituted by the COPO number? Maybe the Kansas plant saw the L78 for the COPO Chevelle and stamped the 'L' on the trim tag because that would normally denote an SS. It's pretty cool to find the history on some of these cars 40+ years later!

[RPO LS7]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe the Kansas plant saw the L78 for the COPO Chevelle and stamped the 'L' on the trim tag because that would normally denote an SS .

[/ QUOTE ]
Curious, any real proof of the "L" being an SS, if so would you be kind enough to provide a link to that definitive information, thanks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[RogerD]

Picked up a '69 Malibu 'donor car' a couple of weeks ago. Lots of good parts, many of which I won't need. It was a vinyl top car - vinyl is gone along with most of the exterior OEM paint but the metal is pretty good . . .

It was mfg in June '69, same plant (KAN) as my car which was mfg Jul '69 - parts I need should be a perfect fit. Parchment bench seat (good frame), OEM GM button radio (it's a little rough but you never know). Good auto shift column, really good original deck lid (shiny OEM paint inside &amp; the jack sticker still in place) - lots of stuff I need . . .

Still need to locate an NOS passenger quarter before the body work starts . . . :)

[Jeff H]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Maybe the Kansas plant saw the L78 for the COPO Chevelle and stamped the 'L' on the trim tag because that would normally denote an SS .

[/ QUOTE ]
Curious, any real proof of the "L" being an SS, if so would you be kind enough to provide a link to that definitive information, thanks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I have no idea if that's true, I'm not a Chevelle guy but I think some other people mentioned it.

[RogerD]

My car has the "L" in the cowl tag but was not an SS car (as previously stated) - no SS trappings . . .
Just the 'Malibu' emblems above the glove box and on the door panels . . .

My 'donor car' has the A/C dash bezel so I'm still looking for a non A/C dash bezel for my '69 project. My car didn't have a map light - still has what appears to be the original RV Mirror so I'll most likely stay with that . . .

I've spotted EX Manifolds with the AIR ports 3909879 (LH) and 3916178 (RH) but so far, none with the correct date codes (Mar or Feb '69) . . . :(

[Rixls6]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Maybe the Kansas plant saw the L78 for the COPO Chevelle and stamped the 'L' on the trim tag because that would normally denote an SS .

[/ QUOTE ]
Curious, any real proof of the "L" being an SS, if so would you be kind enough to provide a link to that definitive information, thanks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I have no idea if that's true, I'm not a Chevelle guy but I think some other people mentioned it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's a link to a thread at Team Chevelle of page 4 of several pages talking about the "L" on the KC built Chevelles trim tags.
I lean toward believing it had to do with the body prep relating to no side mouldings.
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266511&amp;highlight=Cowl+tag+l&amp;page= 4

[RPO LS7]

Interesting read, thanks for the link Rick. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JpMotorsports]

Any updates on the project? Great story

[RogerD]

Seasons Greetings:

It's been pretty quiet on the homefront - still trying to track down a few elusive parts that are required before the body work can start.
Once they are found, the next step will be shop selection. There are a few shops in my area to whom I have spoken - nothing in concrete yet . . .

Have a GREAT holiday season!!

RogerD

[JpMotorsports]

What parts are yah missing?

[budnate]

Roger, you need to hook up with Rick, "TXSS" ,and use his guy they know how to do Orange paint http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif.

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Roger, you need to hook up with Rick, "TXSS" ,and use his guy they know how to do Orange paint http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's for damn sure! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[RogerD]

Be happy to talk to him - do you have contact details?

[RogerD]

I have the key stuff after a 1,980 mile round trip parts run Friday and Saturday. Still looking for trim and motor stuff but I can now start the body work. . .

Needed Interior stuff:
2 spoke Chevelle/GM Black Steering wheel w/Malibu center piece
Non-AC Instrument Bezel
Good condition GM Dash (Black)
GM/Delco push button radio
Clear GM window cranks (front X2 and back X2)

Engine/Power Train stuff:
4 X 5 spoke Chevelle YA Wheels, trim rings and center caps
Big Block drive shaft for TH400
3933164 - HOLLY CARB #4346 (Model 4150??)
1111499 – DISTRIBUTOR
1100837 - Alternator
3909879 - Exhaust (LH) ( Mar or late Feb ’69 date code)
3916178 - Exhaust (RH) Mar or late Feb ’69 date code)

[budnate]

look up TXSS in the member list and shoot him a PM.


[ QUOTE ]
Be happy to talk to him - do you have contact details?

[/ QUOTE ]

[Xplantdad]

Roger...click HERE (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showprofile.php?Cat=0&amp;User=2056&amp;page=18&amp;what=showm embers)

[RogerD]

An LTL shipment (a couple of required NOS GM body parts) arrived yesterday from Chester, SC:biggthumpup: A local restoration shop owner will look at my '69 DH/COPO and the '69 donor (if weather permits) this Saturday for a sanity check:beers:

And then . . .

RogerD

[69Tom]

Roger, there's a 499 distributor on eBay at the moment.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Cama...sQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Camaro-Chevelle-427-396-375hp-Distributor-1111499_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2ea9b40e3eQQite mZ200415645246QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5f Accessories)


Also, alternator...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-CAMARO...sQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-CAMARO-Z-28-COPO-YENKO-ZL-1-1100837-ALTERNATOR-9A11_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5d2695c963QQitemZ4 00079309155QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcc essories)

[RogerD]

Merry Christmas gang :)

[RogerD]

Happy New Year gang!

The NOS GM QPanels I located and bought were stamped and even had an original receipt from July 1987 with them . . .

I may not need them -mine are not rotted - just a bit of rust on the lower section by the bumper and rust around the lip of the wheel well from having been cut for slicks back in the mid '80's. I did not want to take a chance and start the project with having them on hand.

Best wishes for a GREAT 2010 :beers:

[firstgenaddict]

Awesome, I cant wait to see this one done!

[beater68427]

Ive been sleeping too long... this is just cool http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[RogerD]

Picked up an NOS vintage SST-802 for my project yesterday . . .
The shift pointer is off a bit but with a small adjustment . . .


Things are starting to come together - hopeful to begin the metal and paint work soon!!

[Rixls6]

Maybe go up 1,000 on the shift, hey?
Look forward to hearing of your resto progress.

[RogerD]

Chuck Hanson dropped by my home last September, looked over my original documents and the car! My wife and I enjoyed visiting with him and having the opportunity to hear his suggestions. He was very positive, lots of encouragement and his visit was sincerely appreciated.

The picture and his brief comments about my Chevelle in the March/April issue of Chevelle World came as a total surprise.

All of the pieces are slowly but surely coming together. More to follow . . .

[Xplantdad]

Very cool Roger!

[RogerD]

41 years, 8 months later - found the rattle . . .

[300deluxeL79]

keep the fruit jar, i mean resto pictures coming roger!

[Rixls6]

Maybe the guy had some &quot;Monaco&quot; oranges in that jar.

[Alss]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe the guy had some &quot;Monaco&quot; oranges in that jar. </div></div>

or finished off his &quot;home&quot; brew?? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif..cool thing to find..adds to the cars &quot;story&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[mockingbird812]

A real treasure Roger - keep your updates coming!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[JpMotorsports]

Very cool roger

[RogerD]

Made it over to the national "Chevell-Abration" in Goodletsville, TN last weekend (June 11, 12 13).
WOW, hundreds of Chevelle SS, Malibu's - one was a Yenko/COPO 427 Chevelle - most of the classic years and models were covered.
Met and visited with many owners - amazed how many knew of my DHPC/COPO - perhaps from my posts or the snippet in the March/April issue of Chevelle World.
Picked up several 'can't find' parts at the small swap meet held on the grounds. Guess it was 'just meant to be' . . . :)

[mockingbird812]

Good stuff Roger. <span style="font-size: 20pt"><span style="color: #FF0000">Beautiful office decoration!!</span></span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[RogerD]

Next step, on the L72 COPO Motor Build . . .
6223 Nitrided Crank Forged Steel crank for my L72 COPO Motor . . .
It's a STD/STD crank in perfect condition . . .
Rotating assy will be balanced and the bearing/crank tolerance is right on target . . . :biggthumpup:

[mockingbird812]

Lookin' good Roger. Thanks for the blow by blow!!

[RogerD]

Engine stuff :grin:

[brent396]

Hey Roger did you mention in chevelle world <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif Dan Palchanes helped you find it

[RogerD]

Hey Roger did you mention in chevelle world :biggthumpup: Dan Palchanes helped you find it

Yes, I did . . . :)
I didn't write any part of the article, just provided the Chevelle World Editor details back in Sept '09 from beginning to end.
The CW article was a much condensed version . . . :smile:

[Dean P.]

Roger, was a pleasure meeting you this morning to pass off those NOS door handles to you. I can't wait to see your car once completed.

[RogerD]

Hi Dean:

Pleasure was all mine!
I'm very hopeful you might see it sooner rather than later and I'm working on it every day!

[sYc-427]

Looking good Roger , enjoyed visiting with you and your wife at CB , thanks for updates ,
Ky Joe

[RogerD]

An interesting developement on the dickharrell.com website . . .

"UNDOCUMENTED", HA, HA, HA . . .
The moderator has taken the 'liberty' to edit the title of my thread there and add 'undocumented' to it.

Documented - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...
1 : to furnish documentary evidence of 2 : to furnish with documents
3 a : to provide with factual or substantial support for statements made or a ...

In fact, my 1969 Dick Harrell/COPO Chevelle is documented . . .
An original "MSRP" from Dick Harrell Performance Center back in 1969 . . .
This is just a scanned copy - the originals, in a bank lock box :biggthumpup:

[resto4u]

Roger, you know what you have. And we do here, who knows what there intentions may be? Either way you know the facts.

[RogerD]

You are right on point - THANK YOU and like I say:
Undocumented, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA *****

[Xplantdad]

Have fun with the restoration Roger! I can't wait to see it done <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[mockingbird812]

Roger - it sounds to me like some folks over at the &quot;other&quot; site have some envy and/or self esteem issues. Its a good thing that with the docs that you have on your Harrell Chevelle you do not need their validation. I think they are missing the point with regard to preserving this special history. Some folks<span style="font-size: 17pt"> <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">JUST DON'T GET IT!!</span></span></span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif


Awesome DH Chevelle Roger. Please keep the pix coming. It is looking terrific! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[SS427]

Purchased brand new BY YOU in 1969. That should be more than enough documentation as far as you are concerned. Enjoy the restoration and the car and as others have said, keep the photos coming!

[ORIGLS6]

How's the old saying go???? Something like, &quot;Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience!&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

You never know WHICH personality you're gonna deal with over there. Sad that they can't see what they're doing.

Keep on track Roger. YOU know what you have! I hope to see it in person some day. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[Kim_Howie]

Dennis, I like That!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[COPO140]

Great story on this car. Can you please post some original photos of the car when or around the time it was new? Love to see the vintage photos. What made you hold on to the paperwork all these years. When you sold it, did you tell the next owner it was a DH car?

[RogerD]

I have pictures of the 1966 SS 396 Chevelle I traded along with the '66 paperwork (original GM MSRP and Dealer/Customer invoice) . . .
The '66 SS VIN is shown on the '69 Dealer/Customer invoice - not a single picture of the '69 (just was not a priority back then). . .
Also have the GM MSRP and Dealer/Customer invoice from the '70 Camaro RS when I traded the '69 DH/COPO Chevelle in ('69 is listed on the '70 dealer paperwork).

Kept these along with various other "treasures" (a bible from 2nd grade, stuff from Boy Scouts, Indian artifacts I found over the years and various other trinkets.
Just could never throw it away . . .

Speaking of "Documented", this is a repeat (with an updated image) of a previous image post . . .

I knew the Chevy dealership at which I traded the car very well - my (then) future father-in-law was their top salesman . . .
He knew very well that it was a Dick Harrell Chevelle with a BIG motor and just couldn't wait for me to get rid of it . . .
He shuddered every time I showed up to take my fiancee (now my wife for almost 40 years) on a date . . .
At the time, HP cars were in the dirt as far as trade in's went - Sharp Chevrolet wholesaled it in late '69/early '70 because they could not get rid of it . . .
It still had the Dick Harrell emblem on the deck lid when Sharp wholesaled in early 1971 . . .
The Harrell emblem was on the car up until the mid 1980's until the then owner sold it at auction (according to that mid 80's owner, Robert V.) . . .

[al8apex]

who is it casting stones?

this is so ironclad it is not funny

love the story and the car, keep up the good work

[RogerD]

Update:

My thread on dickharrell.com named "1969 Dick Harrell Chevelle" has been renamed . . .
AND, it's still "undocumented", ha, ha, ha :)

[mockingbird812]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[m22mike]

Roger
Thanks for keeping us posted on the build... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Keep those camera batteries charged too.. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif
I tried to look at the Harrell sight forums, but only the sign on page comes up. Must you join just to read forums ?

Thanks Mike

[RogerD]

Yes, you must register to view their forums but it's not a big deal . . .
More on the engine build . . .

[sYc]

Roger, you did not send the right piece of paper. Try a check and see what happens. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[RogerD]

Not a big deal - it's OK . . .

[x Baldwin Motion]

Just stumbled across and read all 20 pages, great story and great find. Looking forward to seeing updates and finished project!! good luck.


<span style="font-style: italic">*weird about the documentation thing after reading;
. . .&quot;The paperwork is verified (thru her mother who actually typed up the window sticker) it's the car that needs to be inspected. . . .&quot;

I think you have more than documented that the car in your possession is the DHPC Chevelle you originally purchased in 1969. Anyone reading this thread and seeing the photos before and after inspections could not possibly doubt this car.</span>
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_P1KuD6CE6G0/S20pVGCJ5TI/AAAAAAAAAXo/FPQApigkpfQ/s320/scarecrow_oz.gif

[RogerD]

I'm very pleased you found it interesting!

Based upon my failed efforts with the 'new DHPC' org and their refusal to 'certify' my car, I'll just limp along with my old circa 1969 original Dick Harrell 'MSRP' :)
and corroborating '66 trade in and the '70 Camaro I traded it for . . .

Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe my circa '69 'certs' are even better than a 'new DHPC' cert.
Mine are of course original and authentic, the VIN tag and hidden VIN on the car are also original and authentic - all tied together in '69 and now plus I'm the original owner . . .

If/when I come down with a fatal affliction, a circa 2010 certificate won't add years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes or even seconds to my time here on this earth.
My kids will just have to decide - I have a pretty good idea what they will do (they've paid close attention to the goings on during this last year) . . .

THANKS to all for your kind thoughts and support - looking forward to sharing more stuff as soon as there's anything worthy to post and hopeful I'm not offending anyone with pictures of circa '69 stuff that's been rebuilt for my project.

Kind regards to all :)

Just stumbled across and read all 20 pages, great story and great find. Looking forward to seeing updates and finished project!! good luck.

*weird about the documentation thing after reading; . . .
"The paperwork is verified (thru her mother who actually typed up the window sticker) it's the car that needs to be inspected. . . ."

I think you have more than documented that the car in your possession is the DHPC Chevelle you originally purchased in 1969.
Anyone reading this thread and seeing the photos before and after inspections could not possibly doubt this car.

[ORIGLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RogerD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
hopeful I'm not offending anyone with pictures of circa '69 stuff that's been rebuilt for my project.

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<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif Roger, we're all waiting impatiently for more of those <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-size: 11pt">offensive</span></span></span> photos! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-size: 23pt"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="color: #FF6600">YES WE ARE!</span> </span> </span> </span></span>

[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORIGLS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RogerD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
hopeful I'm not offending anyone with pictures of circa '69 stuff that's been rebuilt for my project.

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<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif Roger, we're all waiting impatiently for more of those <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-size: 11pt">offensive</span></span></span> photos! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>


Damn, and some of us old guys are more impatient than others!!

cumby &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/santa.gif

[RogerD]

One year ago today at about 6:00AM this morning . . .

FOUND MY ’69 DH/COPO Chevelle – didn’t announce it to the world until ink had dried on the title transfer and the car was residing in my driveway a few days later! About this time last year, I was scrambling – trying to contact the seller (via his CraigsList email) – he was not responding and I had a knot in my stomach the size of a basketball. I called my wife about 4:30PM to tell her I had to fly to Chicago and the plane departed TX in about an hour. We both left work immediately, met at the house, scrambled for the airport and I just made the flight.

When I arrived Chicago, a rental car had already been reserved and a couple of hours later (around midnight), I pulled into Ottawa and started looking for a place to sleep (ha, ha). A local motel provided a room – I started checking on line for a local storage place – the guy at the first 800 number I called would not accept ‘non running’ cars. Second 800 number, a lady answered and I proceeded to tell about an ‘antique’ car that I needed to store for a short period. She asked me what it was and I explained that it was a ’69 Chevelle in which my wife and I had our first date – she just couldn’t say no, and my storage unit was lined up.

Next morning, I met the seller at his storage unit – turned out, it was the same facility in which my newly rented space was located. A bit later after our deal was concluded, the seller helped me push the car out of his unit and roll into my unit located 1 space away from his. How could it get any better – just meant to be!! The storage unit would up costing me $1.00 (that’s one buck) while the car was there – they were having a ‘special’ for the first 30 days . . .

It’s been a hectic year to say the least but the loose ends are tied up and we are making progress daily on the restoration. THANKS to all who have followed our story and bolstered our spirits along the way. Couldn’t have made it without you!!

Kind regards :)

[ORIGLS6]

Happy Anniversary Roger! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[SS427]

It was meant to be Roger. It will be a very sweet reunion when you and your wife take your 'second' date in that Chevelle. Maybe you should sit in back for old times sake...... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif Thanks for including us in your story to bring the car back to it's roots.

[mockingbird812]

Swell story Roger. Holy cow! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[m22mike]

It has been our pleasure to follow the reunion with your Chevelle. Hope to see it done someday.
And please keep us up to date.


Mike <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Mr70]

Thank You for sharing it with us,as it's people like you who make this hobby so interesting.

[Xplantdad]

Very cool!!!

[mockingbird812]

Dang Roger! That's a welcome site. You've got to be stoked!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Keith Tedford]

Had a nice chat with Roger on the phone the other day. Hopefully we can meet some time in the future.

[RogerD]

Firewall on my '69 DHPC Chevelle . . .

[SS427]

Cool Roger. On a side note, I just media blasted a 70 Z28 and the firewall looks like a kindergarten chalkboard. Any grease pencil staining will remain on the bare metal if soda or plastic media is used.

[RogerD]

Hi Rick:

The "72" (that went away) seem to be straight forward (if "72" = Paint code).
Do you (any one else chime in here) have any idea on the significance "1/20" to the right of the heater cut out and "X X X" over the transmission tunnel?

[RogerD]

Frame, front & rear end parts . . .

[JpMotorsports]

Really cool roger!

[RogerD]

Good time of the year for body and paint work - not too hot, not too cold. Looking forward to posting progress pictures soon . . .

[RogerD]

ORIGINAL COLOR - Monaco Orange from the factory . . . :)

[SuperNovaSS]

Sweet! Moving right along!

Jason

[RogerD]

Work in progress :)

[mockingbird812]

That's what I'm talkin about! Real clean - real nice Roger!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[ORIGLS6]

Sweet! Thanks for the pix &amp; updates Roger. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[SuperNovaSS]

That's a lot of experience and attention to detail.

[GenOne]

Looking real good Roger <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[mockingbird812]

Comin' along nicely Roger. Yeah BABY!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[RogerD]

Not a clone . . .
Not a 'wanna be' . . .
Not a 'coulda, woulda, shoulda' :(

The 'real deal' . . .
Bonafide, documented with original documents . . .
Authentic 1969 COPO/Dick Harrell Chevelle . . .
With the original owner again . . . :biggthumpup:

[SS427]

There is a Monoco Orange 69 SS396 (supposed 375 hp) 4 speed car with (if I recall correctly) white SS stripes a few miles from here. Car has a partial broadcast sheet and I have been trying to acquire the car for a while now. Has been sitting for over 30 years. Would be neat to see a display with several of these cars together.

[RogerD]

Good morning Rick:

It would indeed - wonder just how many Monaco Orange Chevelles were mfg in '69? Back in the day, I don't recall seeing another Monaco Orange 69 Chevelle in or around Kansas City/St Joseph area in any of the places I frequented. I'm sure there were a few out there . . .

Talked to the guys yesterday where the car is undergoing restoration - car was in the paint booth, Monaco Orange being applied. Fenders, doors, trunk lid, nose panel and hood have already been painted. Can't wait to see the pictures - frame should be going back together this week as well, more to follow as soon as I have pictures . . .

[Pulnaway]

Looking good Roger!

[Kim_Howie]

You can't help but love that color!!!! The car looks great !!

[mockingbird812]

Looks <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF6600"><span style="font-size: 26pt">GREAT</span> </span> </span> </span>Roger!!

[RogerD]

Together again :)

[m22mike]

You guy's look like your havin' a ball with that. Keep the updates comming.

Mike <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[SS427]

Best part is, your wife looks as excited as you are. That helps let me tell ya!

[RogerD]

Hi Rick:
Excited - we are both about to bust at the seams :)

[RogerD]

A little help from a friend :)

[iluv69s]

Roger,

I have watched this thread for a while now and have yet to chime in. I must say, this is definitely one of the BEST musclecar stories I have ever heard.
I would be just as excitied as you and the wife.
Can I be there just to watch when You do the first burn-out in over 30 years?? haha...I'll bet that Harrell prepped Rat really smoked the tires back in the day !!
Nuttin' like a reallll..documented...Big Block...solid lifter 427...COPO..Harrell..hugger Orange...(what else??)..69 chevelle...and to top it off...with the &quot;ORIGINAL OWNER&quot; !!!!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING YOUR BABY BACK!!
max

[RogerD]

Close but not the same as the old one :(

[mockingbird812]

Way cool Roger!! Boy, you can't swing a stick with out hitting a DH Chevelle these days!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[al8apex]

I wish I had something I could send ...

This IS a GREAT story . . .

[RogerD]

Hi Jim:

Your good wishes and kind thoughts are more than enough :)

[SS427]

Roger is yet another great Harrell Chevelle owner. We met him at the 2008 Fred Gibb show and he was great to talk to and see his beautiful 68 DH Chevelle. He did an absolute beautiful job on the car.

[ORIGLS6]

Roger Sutton - '68 Harrell Chevelle
Roger Day - '69 Harrell COPO Chevelle.

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif If I change my name to Roger, I wonder, ............. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Probably not.

Two VERY nice cars guys!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[mockingbird812]

If I change my name to Cumby, I wonder........ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/whistle.gif

[RogerD]

Celebrating 40 GREAT years :)

[COPO_Anders]

Roger, reading the story about you and your Chevelle is absolutely fantastic, but it seems like the story about you and your wife is even better.

Best of luck to both of you !
Anders

[mockingbird812]

Good stuff you ol' love birds! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[RogerD]

Hi Gang:

Frame build is starting this week - hopefully, I'll have a few pictures to share soon!
Later :)

[RogerD]

Come together, right now :)

[Xplantdad]

Looks Great Roger!

[Dave Rifkin]

Making some real nice progress; thanks for sharing the pictures.