NCRS Camaro , Chevelle, Nova 65-72 Document Services

[Drew Papsun]

This is an update for the Camaro, Chevelle, and Nova cars.


1965 through 1972 for Camaro, Chevelle
https://www.chevymuscledocs.com/

Historical Document Services
1965-1972
BEGINS MAY 1

National Corvette Restorers Society is pleased to announce that we can now provide certain information for model years 1965 through 1972 for Camaro, Chevelle and Nova through the efforts of the NCRS and permission granted by General Motors. We believe our fellow hobbyists and car clubs have desired this information since it became available for Corvettes several years ago.

The information consists of the dealer code, dealer name, dealer location and the production date the car was produced. The good news is this may allow you to find the original dealer where your Chevrolet Camaro, Chevelle or Nova was shipped and possibly open the door to finding more information about your Chevrolet.

A Camaro, Chevelle or Nova Shipping Data Report can be ordered only online. Membership in NCRS is not required. The fee will be $50 payable by credit card or PayPal. You will receive via USPS a letter with the information which includes the NCRS official seal. In limited cases the dealer code is not available or readable and in this case a full refund will be made.

www.chevymuscledocs.com. (http://www.chevymuscledocs.com)

Regards,
Drew Papsun

[bbbentley]

Yeah!!!

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I think a lot of cars will be "exposed" with this new information.

[sYc]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a lot of cars will be &quot;exposed&quot; with this new information. </div></div>

I keep hearing this but do not see why. The way I read the press release the document will not contain build information, just shipping info, such as selling dealer. I doubt it will &quot;expose&quot; a hand full of cars, as except for the few so called &quot;supercars dealers&quot;, why would anyone lie about the selling dealer?

I do think it is a positive though, as many car enthusiasts are curious where their cars were sold new, and for the supercars, not all dealer records are available, which left the NICB as the only source for such information, which few folks can access. IMO, as this service moves forward, we will see the number of documented supercars increase.

Then the only debate will be how was it equipped/modified.

[1968ChevyIISSL48]

Awesome! I am curious where my 68 came from. According to my title it had quite a few owners in a short period of time from late 1967 to 1984 when I purchased it. Just purchased my 64 in December from the original owner with all docs, window sticker, and other records so I know where thats been. Happy, Happy, Happy!

Jim

1968 Chevy II SS numbers matching 350, M21, 3:31 12 bolt
1964 Chevelle SS original driveline 220 HP 283 4 speed

[68l30]

Sorry to highjack......But...Is that 68 Ash Gold? Need more shots of the II .... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif


BIG

[ZLP955]

The shipper info provides the details of the dealer the car was originally shipped to from the factory, which may not necessarily be the final selling dealer. The debate about cars being exposed by this information assumes that very few cars would have been dealer-transferred beyond a limited radius of the original receiving dealership back in the day, and therefore some owners of high dollar cars that have had expertly-prepared documentation may be surprised by the conflicting details provided by NCRS.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

&quot;The shipper info provides the details of the dealer the car was originally shipped to from the factory&quot;

So this info would match the dealer info on a build sheet because the build sheet has the original dealer that ordered the car first, which I think most people will be looking to match up to when ordering this document.

Lots of owners with fake build sheets will not match this document which will stir many red flags for them <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif

I will be ordering one to just ad another document that further confirms the dealer on my original build sheet and POP <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[sixt9rsx33]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is an update for the Camaro, Chevelle, and Nova cars.

Historical Document Services
1965-1972
BEGINS MAY 1

National Corvette Restorers Society is pleased to announce that we can now provide certain information for model years 1965 through 1972 for Camaro, Chevelle and Nova through the efforts of the NCRS and permission granted by General Motors. We believe our fellow hobbyists and car clubs have desired this information since it became available for Corvettes several years ago.

The information consists of the dealer code, dealer name, dealer location and the production date the car was produced. The good news is this may allow you to find the original dealer where your Chevrolet Camaro, Chevelle or Nova was shipped and possibly open the door to finding more information about your Chevrolet.

A Camaro, Chevelle or Nova Shipping Data Report can be ordered only online. Membership in NCRS is not required. The fee will be $50 payable by credit card or PayPal. You will receive via USPS a letter with the information which includes the NCRS official seal. In limited cases the dealer code is not available or readable and in this case a full refund will be made.

www.chevymuscledocs.com. (http://www.chevymuscledocs.com)

Regards,
Drew Papsun
</div></div>

The site still says that it is under construction? Is this service active? Does not appear to be.

[m22mike]

It's in the first post......MAY 1st

[leach]

Up and running paid to get both Novas checked out thanks this will help people <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[bbbentley]

Done Deal on my F-Body 69

[KevinW]

I have both my 69s submitted. I will be interesting to see what they do with the Van Nuys car <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif My orders were numbers 84 and 87.

[sixt9rsx33]

I have two 69 requests in. Thanks to all for making this happen.

[mockingbird812]

<span style="font-size: 14pt">My request went in today. A great capability for many in the hobby! A big <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">thank you </span></span>to those responsible for putting this together <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </span>

<span style="font-size: 8pt">*A word of caution: I navigated away from the info input page to get my VIN and when I returned all of the data I had entered had disappeared. I was using an iPad and I would only consider this a minor inconvenience.</span>

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Just ordered mine.
Another great piece of document to ad to my Build Sheet and other Documents.

Please add Provinces for Canadian orders as I could not put a &quot;State or Province&quot; in that box as there was no selection for Canadian Provinces.

Sent a private email to put &quot;Ontario&quot; in that address section <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[RPOLS3]

Just ordered one as well.

Jake

[Lynn]

[quote=mockingbird812]<span style="font-size: 14pt">My request went in today. A great capability for many in the hobby! A big <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">thank you </span></span>to those responsible for putting this together <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </span>



X2

[70 copo]

#37 at 05:50 AM today. Let's see what the turn around time is. Looking forward to the info!

[Jim Ferron]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;The shipper info provides the details of the dealer the car was originally shipped to from the factory&quot;



Lots of owners with fake build sheets will not match this document which will stir many red flags for them <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div> Sooo [not trying to be a jerk] The guy with the fake build sheet can make a new one with the <span style="font-style: italic">correct</span> dealer info....

Not sure how this new service is really going to change anything if it doesn't have build info , like a PHS report.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">#37 at 05:50 AM today. Let's see what the turn around time is. Looking forward to the info!
</div></div>

Ha, I'm #32&amp;34 at 5:30AM !

[mockingbird812]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim Ferron</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;The shipper info provides the details of the dealer the car was originally shipped to from the factory&quot;



Lots of owners with fake build sheets will not match this document which will stir many red flags for them <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div> Sooo [not trying to be a jerk] The guy with the fake build sheet can make a new one with the <span style="font-style: italic">correct</span> dealer info....

Not sure how this new service is really going to change anything if it doesn't have build info , like a PHS report. </div></div>

I hear what you are saying Jim. By itself this doc will not definitively validate a car, but it can be used as a building block toward establishing provenance in conjunction with other car information/documentation/stampings/owner history/ original photos etc.

[camaromb]

It would be nice if we could opt out of the sharing of our personal information by the NCRS with &quot;car clubs and auto related organizations&quot;. I get enough junk I don't need already.

[427freak]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim Ferron</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;The shipper info provides the details of the dealer the car was originally shipped to from the factory&quot;



Lots of owners with fake build sheets will not match this document which will stir many red flags for them <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div> Sooo [not trying to be a jerk] The guy with the fake build sheet can make a new one with the <span style="font-style: italic">correct</span> dealer info....

Not sure how this new service is really going to change anything if it doesn't have build info , like a PHS report. </div></div>

I believe there is an order number on the shipping paperwork that should match a number on the build sheet. They can validate the build sheets that way. They are not making public the order numbers. This should help things.

[69hurstSC]

Sure wish they would have brought the years on the Nova up to 74.

[Mr70]

I think this is a great step up for the hobby &amp; really commend all involved.
Wondering if the NCRS is holding onto the contact information from everyone that inquires about a vehicle?
Could see that as a possible help to those in the future if a question mark is raised on the heritage of their vehicle.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim Ferron</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;The shipper info provides the details of the dealer the car was originally shipped to from the factory&quot;



Lots of owners with fake build sheets will not match this document which will stir many red flags for them <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div> Sooo [not trying to be a jerk] The guy with the fake build sheet can make a new one with the <span style="font-style: italic">correct</span> dealer info....

Not sure how this new service is really going to change anything if it doesn't have build info , like a PHS report. </div></div>

The point of my comment is the current owner will be upset (Who did not make the FAKE Build Sheet), not the Dealer or Last owner before him that made the FAKE build sheet. I don't think he will re make another fake build sheet, I think he will look into hiring a lawyer to sue the Person or Dealer that sold him the car with FAKE documents. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[68SSCamaro]

I'm #218, ordered around 9:30 AM PDT. No docs for my car but it might help narrow down the search. Martin

[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLP955</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The shipper info provides the details of the dealer the car was originally shipped to from the factory, which may not necessarily be the final selling dealer. The debate about cars being exposed by this information <span style="font-weight: bold">assumes that very few cars would have been dealer-transferred beyond a limited radius of the original receiving dealership back</span> in the day ... </div></div>

Not sure how many people were as anal as I was when I bought my last new car but my local Scottsdale, AZ dealer did a dealer &quot;trade/purchase&quot; for me with the original &quot;delivered to&quot; dealer in Idaho ...

[Don_Lightfoot]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please add Provinces for Canadian orders as I could not put a &quot;State or Province&quot; in that box as there was no selection for Canadian Provinces.

Sent a private email to put &quot;Ontario&quot; in that address section <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>

What I did Danny was put the City and Province in the &quot;City&quot; address line. Hopefully it will work as they do have a box for &quot;Country&quot;. Let me know what, if anything, you get back from your email.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Don_Lightfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please add Provinces for Canadian orders as I could not put a &quot;State or Province&quot; in that box as there was no selection for Canadian Provinces.

Sent a private email to put &quot;Ontario&quot; in that address section <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>

What I did Danny was put the City and Province in the &quot;City&quot; address line. Hopefully it will work as they do have a box for &quot;Country&quot;. Let me know what, if anything, you get back from your email. </div></div>

Don they replied right away for me, he will add the Ontario for me on my address and he notified the IT crew to add the provinces to the States section to make it more user friendly for us Canucks.

[Don_Lightfoot]

Good stuff Danny, thanks <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Xplantdad]

Dang Canadians...always pushing the envelope <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

[travlnz28]

Number 279 for my JL8. Can't wait to find out where it came from!

It would be nice to hear some feedback from some members who find out something special about their cars through this service. Good or bad <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif or <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

[camaromb]

200, 201 &amp; 203, I can't wait!

[scuncio]

#310! On the edge of my seat!

[Don_Lightfoot]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dang Canadians...always pushing the envelope <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif </div></div>

Now Bruce, be nice <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[m22mike]

Where are you boyz getting a position # from ? Is that the first two in the transaction # ?

Mike

[mockingbird812]

Mikey
You get a confirmation email from Roy Sinor stating:

&quot;Thank you for your order nr. 62. This e-mail will confirm your request and payment of $50 USD with transaction...&quot;

[dans68]

Transaction confirmation email

[m22mike]

O Dhaaa, I guess that requires some reading <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif
Sent in 2 #47 And #49.
Thanks Sam

Mike

[69 Post Sedan]

I applied for mine around 7am central time this morning and my number was 86.

Kurt

[mockingbird812]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">O Dhaaa, I guess that requires some reading <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif
Sent in 2 #47 And #49.
Thanks Sam

Mike </div></div>

Mikey,
Didn't yr Camaro come from out my way (Dayton)?

[m22mike]

Yes, Lang Chevrolet Dayton Area.

[x77-69z28]

Just ordered my three.

[CC Rider]

I'm #378.

[Rixls6]

Just ordered the docs for 3 `69 Chevelle SS396 Post Sedans.
Appropriate that the numbers were: 395, <span style="color: #FF6600">396</span>, and 397.

[jannes_z-28]

Just sent my application in and got #399.


Jan

[KevinW]

NCRS is up to close to $20,000 then. I hope they can recoup their costs!

[mr 707]

i wonder how it going to show the path( selling dealer) for yenkos ?. Since yenko bought the cars will it show him as the original dealer or one of the dealers he shipped too or if its a harrell car going to st louis ? thoughts???

[69biscayne]

#417 for a 1969 Nova

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mr 707</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> i wonder how it going to show the path( selling dealer) for yenkos ?. Since yenko bought the cars will it show him as the original dealer or one of the dealers he shipped too or if its a harrell car going to st louis ? thoughts??? </div></div>

Pretty sure it will show Yenko as the dealer because Yenko actually sold the cars to the dealers in his network, and listed the cars on the 'Delayed Floor Plan' sheets with GMAC.

[SeattleCarGuy]

I just got a good ole Pontiac number &quot;421&quot; for my order for my '69 Nova.

Hurry up fella's, someone will get lucky 427!

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Noticed the new link on the top of the forums link <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
I am #105, ordered yesterday morning.

[TDW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SeattleCarGuy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got a good ole Pontiac number &quot;421&quot; for my order for my '69 Nova.

Hurry up fella's, someone will get lucky 427! </div></div>

I missed it by three numbers. 430 for my nova.

[mr 707]

Put me up on the cadillac board. I GOT NUMBER 427

[Stefano]

#440 &amp; #442

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: camaromb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It would be nice if we could opt out of the sharing of our personal information by the NCRS with &quot;car clubs and auto related organizations&quot;. I get enough junk I don't need already. </div></div>

You will find NCRS as an organization does not share personal information, even your personal information if you are not a member and supply it to us.

[rsinor]

OK guys, now starts the pleading, please be patient as we roll this system out. You won't get your answer tomorrow but you will get it hopefully sooner than later. with the Corvette data which we are still processing we average around two weeks. Because of vacations and business travel sometimes it gets delayed and is closer to thirty days.

To answer a lot of speculation yes down the road we will offer a second service much like the document validation service for the Corvette world.

It will be different but for some years some plants we will be able to validate original GM paper.

For some years some plants we will be able to identify the cowl tag as containing the correct body identification number which we can link to the vin, that wont stop someone from running a repro cowl tag on you if they know that number, but it will stop cowl tags from being swapped.

Be patient we are still testing that information.

[KevinW]

Thanks Roy! Good luck! BTW, One of my Camaros I sent in was built in the Van Nuys (LA) plant, I do not have my hopes up that there is paperwork for this, but anything is possible!

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK guys, now starts the pleading, please be patient as we roll this system out. You won't get your answer tomorrow but you will get it hopefully sooner than later. with the Corvette data which we are still processing we average around two weeks. Because of vacations and business travel sometimes it gets delayed and is closer to thirty days.

To answer a lot of speculation yes down the road we will offer a second service much like the document validation service for the Corvette world.

It will be different but for some years some plants we will be able to validate original GM paper.

For some years some plants we will be able to identify the cowl tag as containing the correct body identification number which we can link to the vin, that wont stop someone from running a repro cowl tag on you if they know that number, but it will stop cowl tags from being swapped.

Be patient we are still testing that information. </div></div>

Feel free to test that info with my vin!! Order # 56. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/youguysrock.gif

[L78M22Rag]

Mine were order numbers 175 and then some... can't wait!

[KCCC_BB]

Got my form filled out today #455. Any additional info will be great.

[ZLP955]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Roy! Good luck! BTW, One of my Camaros I sent in was built in the Van Nuys (LA) plant, I do not have my hopes up that there is paperwork for this, but anything is possible! </div></div>
Would the final assembly plant make any difference?

[KevinW]

Its just, I have not had good luck with this car <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

[396L35]

I am #'s 492, 494, 495, &amp; 496

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLP955</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Roy! Good luck! BTW, One of my Camaros I sent in was built in the Van Nuys (LA) plant, I do not have my hopes up that there is paperwork for this, but anything is possible! </div></div>
Would the final assembly plant make any difference? </div></div>

Unfortunately it appears it was the final assembly plants responsibility to report the stuff, our records are more of a central office nature however so keep your fingers crossed. with the corvette stuff we have found information on about 93% of the requests. There will be holes, it came from microfiche some of it will be damaged and some of it will be missing its inevitable. Obviously if information is not available you will get a refund.

[Tommy]

Sent mine this morning on the 68. I was #514. Maybe I'll find out something good! Be a Southern Car.... Be a Southern car.... Be a Southern Car.....


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[limerat5]

This is the best thing that ever happen to our hobby!!! Number 38.

[396L35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sent mine this morning on the 68. I was #514. Maybe I'll find out something good! Be a Southern Car.... Be a Southern car.... Be a Southern Car.....


Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>

LOL

[TAR6569]

if this latest addition to the service ends up being a success, will you expand it to the fullsize cars?

[Carleen]

From NCRS

We are missing the following data:
1969 Camaro 9N508855 to 9N587275
1970 Chevelle made in Atlanta, Seventh digit would be A.

NCRS does not anticipate nor have we been authorized to offer any additional GM brand information.

[Carleen]

So from Sept 68 to end of Jan 69 NOR is missing.

Another dead end.

[KevinW]

Yup, there goes one of my cars <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif N518xxx

[1968ChevyIISSL48]

Great! Got that done! #578 Hopefully this will help confirm where my 68 deuce started out.

Jim

[mr 707]

thats a shame about the early 69s. It mite have cleared up a few of the non - X data plates.

[396L35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From NCRS

We are missing the following data:
1969 Camaro 9N508855 to 9N587275
1970 Chevelle made in Atlanta, Seventh digit would be A.

NCRS does not anticipate nor have we been authorized to offer any additional GM brand information.
</div></div>

So does this mean they will refund your money?

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 396L35</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From NCRS

We are missing the following data:
1969 Camaro 9N508855 to 9N587275
1970 Chevelle made in Atlanta, Seventh digit would be A.

NCRS does not anticipate nor have we been authorized to offer any additional GM brand information.
</div></div>

So does this mean they will refund your money? </div></div>


Yes but I want the shipping report <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cry.gif

[70 copo]

Perhaps the NCRS can cut a deal with the NCIB for the missing data period?

[sixt9rsx33]

Cuts out one of my cars. Crap...

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps the NCRS can cut a deal with the NCIB for the missing data period? </div></div>

Yes but my car is not in the NICB

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 396L35</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From NCRS

We are missing the following data:
1969 Camaro 9N508855 to 9N587275
1970 Chevelle made in Atlanta, Seventh digit would be A.

NCRS does not anticipate nor have we been authorized to offer any additional GM brand information.
</div></div>

So does this mean they will refund your money? </div></div>

Yes your moeny will be refunded when we process the order if we have no record on your VIN

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps the NCRS can cut a deal with the NCIB for the missing data period? </div></div>

Yes but my car is not in the NICB </div></div>

You should not assume this data is NICB, we have had numerous instances where the GM record is different than that received from NICB on the corvettes we have processed

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if this latest addition to the service ends up being a success, will you expand it to the fullsize cars? </div></div>

NCRS has no intention at this time of expanding the service to include other models of Chevrolet or other GM makes.

[brent396]

is Los Angeles okay but the Norwood cars are not?

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps the NCRS can cut a deal with the NCIB for the missing data period? </div></div>

Yes but my car is not in the NICB </div></div>

That is what I was told on a 1967 years ago. I had it checked three different times by locals with no records found. Had the US DOJ in a FOIA tell me there were &quot;no records&quot;. Later we found a person higher up within the NCIB that did a hand search of the microfiche and the record was recovered. I am not saying they have them all (there may be gaps) but they likely have most of them.

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Perhaps the NCRS can cut a deal with the NCIB for the missing data period? </div></div>

Yes but my car is not in the NICB </div></div>

That is what I was told on a 1967 years ago. I had it checked three different times by locals with no records found. Had the US DOJ in a FOIA tell me there were &quot;no records&quot;. Later we found a person higher up within the NCIB that did a hand search of the microfiche and the record was recovered. I am not saying they have them all (there may be gaps) but they likely have most of them. </div></div>

I was told that cars that started its life as race cars were not insured and did not end up in the NICB records.

[PxTx]

I bet the cars were insured between GM and delivery to the dealer. Heck, only a few dealers actually owned the majority of their inventory so they were probably insured for enough time to have a record- even cars which were not insured at the time of sale (if that was possible).

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bet the cars were insured between GM and delivery to the dealer. Heck, only a few dealers actually owned the majority of their inventory so they were probably insured for enough time to have a record- even cars which were not insured at the time of sale (if that was possible). </div></div>

I do not know the process NICB had if the information became Submitted when the car was sold or if they became Submitted when the car was manufactured.
There will be two 69 Yenko who is not in the NICB, which went as Race Cars, ive been told.

[69 Post Sedan]

I just received an email saying that they sent out the info to my Chevelle today. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Kurt

[mockingbird812]

Excellent Kurt! What number was your order?

[69 Post Sedan]

Sam, my number is 86.

Kurt

[Carleen]

Dear Niclas,

Thank you for your Shipping Data Report order number 13.

Unfortunately, Chevy Muscle Docs could not find the requested information for the 1969 with VIN 124379N580532 in the GM Shipping Data Information. Reason: Unfortunately the GM records are missing information on this VIN

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear Niclas,

Thank you for your Shipping Data Report order number 13.

Unfortunately, Chevy Muscle Docs could not find the requested information for the 1969 with VIN 124379N580532 in the GM Shipping Data Information. Reason: Unfortunately the GM records are missing information on this VIN
</div></div>

Got the same email today for my Atlanta Built 1970 Chevelle SS LS6 Vin # 153XXX order #105. Oh well, I have my build sheet, POP and complete owner history but it would have been nice to have this to go along with my other documents. Looks as though the Chevelles will have some orders missing too along with the Camaro. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[70 copo]

Just got my ship notice for #37 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Steve Shauger]

Received confirmation #32 &amp; 34 docs are on their way. Very quick turn around...Thanks for this great service.

[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received an email saying that they sent out the info to my Chevelle today. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Kurt </div></div>

Looking forward to hearing where your car was sold new Kurt, almost as much as you. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif

[Stefano]

Kurt's Chevelle has been a curiosity for years...........can't wait to hear about many of these cars : )

[ZLP955]

Did any non USA-based owners have their country included in the shipping address contained in the e-mail confirmation that the report had shipped? (Not sure if it was just mine that didn't include it, but have contacted Roy to check the country is included on the address of the envelope).

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLP955</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did any non USA-based owners have their country included in the shipping address contained in the e-mail confirmation that the report had shipped? (Not sure if it was just mine that didn't include it, but have contacted Roy to check the country is included on the address of the envelope). </div></div>

No my country is not in the shipping address.

[Carleen]

BTW its #14 and #20.

[ZLP955]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No my country is not in the shipping address.</div></div>
Ok, thanks for confirming it wasn't just mine. I suspect the shipping notifications don't list the country below the city/state/zip because the default format for the email is for a USA address, unnecessary to include country.

[ZLP955]

Just had confirmation from Roy, the address the report was mailed to included the country.

[markjohnson]

You guys are gonna be running out to the mailbox the next couple of days like children on Christmas morning! I know I would!

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Sent in 4 requests today, 712, 713, 714, &amp; 716. I know where my Deuce was sold new, but expect to see Yenko as the Dealer of Record on the search results.

Can't wait to see if Benjamin's Nova is from Sunderland Chevrolet - after several years of research, 4 title searches in 2 different states, and speaking with 3 different prior owners....

Also, anxiously looking forward to see where Danny's Camaro was sold new. I suspect it was somewhere in IL since there are registration decals on the windshield from IL for '71 or '73, but it came to PA from CT so who knows - I'm hoping it was sold new at Nickey! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Also, sent in a request for a friend who has a HO '70 Z28.

[Dicky]

Marlin, what is an HO 70 Z28? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif


DH <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[njsteve]

Hugger Orange...or a Z/28 that will sell itself to the lowest bidder. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[1968ChevyIISSL48]

Gotta stop reading this thread! The anticipation is rising!!!

[Dicky]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hugger Orange...or a Z/28 that will sell itself to the lowest bidder. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif </div></div>

Hell, I thought it meant <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">High Output</span>. </span></span>LOL

Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Exciting times for sure and the results should spur interest in also increase values of dealer emblems and plate frames etc!
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Carleen]

Roy
So the files on 9N508855 to 9N587275 is not damaged files but are missing?
Same with Atlanta Chevelle?

[brent396]

How about Los Cars ?

[KevinW]

Yup, my 05A Van Nuys Camaro made it through, I have not gotten the letter yet.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brent396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about Los Cars ? </div></div>

Based on the specified VIN range and Norwood as the identified plant, you shouldn't have a problem with Los built cars.

[automan4]

Anyone get a report yet?

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Roy
So the files on 9N508855 to 9N587275 is not damaged files but are missing?
Same with Atlanta Chevelle? </div></div>

They are not missing because of damaged microfiche or missing microfiche, they are missing original data input. It appears this information never got recorded to begin with.

[Steve Shauger]

[quote=automan4]Anyone get a report yet? [/quote

Unfortunately no. The wait is killing me....I feel like a 10 year old on Christmas eve.

order #'s 32 &amp; 34

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Me too! I'm curious if they will only show the dealer code, or if they will provide the dealer name along with the code?

[Steve Shauger]

My understanding is it will contain:

Production date
Zone #
Dealer#
Name &amp; address of dealer

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Roy
So the files on 9N508855 to 9N587275 is not damaged files but are missing?
Same with Atlanta Chevelle? </div></div>

They are not missing because of damaged microfiche or missing microfiche, they are missing original data input. It appears this information never got recorded to begin with. </div></div>

Okay, Thanks Roy

[1969l78]

I think today is the day we will start seeing them in our mailboxes!

[limerat5]

I'm order number 38 ,day off today and I'm sitting by my mailbox!!

[Steve Shauger]

I received mine today #32 &amp; 34 yes!!!!!, well sort of. I now have the zones, but the dealer info is limited.

Car 1 provided Zone 15 Dealer 339, but dealer name and address records are insufficient.. So if anyone has info on that zone and dealer it would be appreciated. Produced 9/8/69

My other car is zone 11 Dealer 372 and list dealer as Max Meyers Motors in Middlebury , IN. Now when I go to their data base and plug the #'s its show McManus Chevy, Chicago , IL 1970. Produced 4/2/69

I really appreciate the information, but for me the dealer info is inconclusive. Thanks again Roy, and good luck to others searching for dealer info.


BTW if anyone else has info on the zones listed above, I would appreciate that.

[bergy]

Steve - Did they verify your assumption about your delivering dealer(s)? Can't wait to get mine back for my Nishan Spaulding COPO - I've always suspected that it was dealer traded from Berger.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve - Did they verify your assumption about your delivering dealer(s)? Can't wait to get mine back for my Nishan Spaulding COPO - I've always suspected that it was dealer traded from Berger. </div></div>

I added to my post above, so essentially the answer is no.

[Rixls6]

Zone 11 Dealer 372 is McManus Chevrolet.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Rixls6/McManusChevroletZone11Dealer372_zps192fa597.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/Rixls6/media/McManusChevroletZone11Dealer372_zps192fa597.jpg.ht ml)

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Zone 11 Dealer 372 is McManus Chevrolet.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Rixls6/McManusChevroletZone11Dealer372_zps192fa597.jpg (http://s36.photobucket.com/user/Rixls6/media/McManusChevroletZone11Dealer372_zps192fa597.jpg.ht ml)


</div></div>

Thanks Rick, that is the dealer I suspected. I was surprised that the shipping data records listed Max Meyers Motors, Middlebury,IN. Again,thanks Rick and Roy for confirming my suspicion.

OK, now the car I really wanted the information on is my 1969 rs/z. I originally purchased it in 1977. Dealer 339 Zone 15. Someone must have a car purchased from this mysterious dealer. I purchased the car in the Cherry Hill, NJ area .

[leach]

Got both my reports today the 1968 Nova came back as Wallace Chevy just like on the broadcast sheet. Production date 7/8/168 dealer code 327 zone 35. The 1970 came back as GK Chevy in Downers Grove, Ill. don't know if this means was dealer trade from there or not since it was converted at Nickey Chevy since these are supposed to be dealer where they were shipped to from factory. Production date 11/13/1969 dealer code 227 zone 11.

[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, now the car I really wanted the information on is my 1969 rs/z. I originally purchased it in 1977. Dealer 339 Zone 15. Someone must have a car purchased from this mysterious dealer. I purchased the car in the Cherry Hill, NJ area .</div></div>

I looked at many sheets from Baltimore built Chevelles, and all the zone 15 cars were dealers in NJ or PA, mostly PA.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, now the car I really wanted the information on is my 1969 rs/z. I originally purchased it in 1977. Dealer 339 Zone 15. Someone must have a car purchased from this mysterious dealer. I purchased the car in the Cherry Hill, NJ area .</div></div>

I looked at many sheets from Baltimore built Chevelles, and all the zone 15 cars were dealers in NJ or PA, mostly PA. </div></div>

I just did a little research on McManus, looks like they changed quite a bit Gillespie, Kingdom. I'll pm to discuss further.

[luzl78]

Does anyone know the dealer for code 0. Zone 12. Zone 12 is buffalo but I don't know the dealer. Thanks

[Salvatore]

Roy emailed me and told me there is no data for my 69 Z/28. An NICB report was done a few years ago again with no data. He said this happens to about 7% of the cars and it could be a clerical data entry that caused this. Its a &quot;BY BERGER&quot; car with no paper so I was hoping for some info. Thanks Roy for trying.

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the dealer for code 0. Zone 12. Zone 12 is buffalo but I don't know the dealer. Thanks </div></div>

I believe you will find dealer zero in zone 12 is the zone office. In other words a car going to dealer 0 in zone 12 was initially billed by GM to the Zone Office this happened for many reasons most typically because someone in the zone was assigned the car to use, however cars were billed to zone offices for other reasons also.

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the dealer for code 0. Zone 12. Zone 12 is buffalo but I don't know the dealer. Thanks </div></div>

I believe you will find dealer zero in zone 12 is the zone office. In other words a car going to dealer 0 in zone 12 was initially billed by GM to the Zone Office this happened for many reasons most typically because someone in the zone was assigned the car to use, however cars were billed to zone offices for other reasons also. </div></div>thanks Roy. This car in question is a high option 67 Ssrs l78 convertible so maybe some executive ordered it special. Would be nice to find the dealer. Thanks. Jeff

[Mr70]

Sounds like a Brass Hat car Jeff.

[69 Post Sedan]

I'm currently at work <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif but my wife just text me saying my car delivered to Van T Chevrolet, Topeka Kansas and the production date was 6/19/1969. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Thanks Roy and NCRS.....you just made my day. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Kurt <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[DW31S]

Now I know how Charlie Brown felt at Halloween! Corvettes get NCRS docs, Pontiac get PHS, Buicks get Sloan, Fords get Marti, and now Chevelles Camaros get this new stuff; Gee, all us &quot;W&quot; Oldsmobile guys get is a rock!!! Remember--&quot;No build sheets from Lansing&quot;--sometimes
broadcast cards. Boy, I'm sure glad I have my &quot;ducks in a row&quot;!!!
Really, I'm glad for all of this, and I have to believe Oldsmobile documents exist somewhere.

[MosportGreen66]

Our Z is 9N5275xx... such a shame no data exists!

Thanks for your attempt Roy.

Dan

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm currently at work <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif but my wife just text me saying my car delivered to Van T Chevrolet, Topeka Kansas and the production date was 6/19/1969. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Thanks Roy and NCRS.....you just made my day. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Kurt <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>

Awesome! I have a &quot;byVan&quot; dealer emblem.....anyone have a Van-T Dealer Emblem? I think I have seen one, but I cannot remember?

Dan

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the dealer for code 0. Zone 12. Zone 12 is buffalo but I don't know the dealer. Thanks </div></div>

I believe you will find dealer zero in zone 12 is the zone office. In other words a car going to dealer 0 in zone 12 was initially billed by GM to the Zone Office this happened for many reasons most typically because someone in the zone was assigned the car to use, however cars were billed to zone offices for other reasons also. </div></div>thanks Roy. This car in question is a high option 67 Ssrs l78 convertible so maybe some executive ordered it special. Would be nice to find the dealer. Thanks. Jeff </div></div>Roy, what other reasons were cars sent to zone offices? At the zone office was there a warehouse or parking lot where the cars were unloaded?

[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm currently at work <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif but my wife just text me saying my car delivered to Van T Chevrolet, Topeka Kansas and the production date was 6/19/1969. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Thanks Roy and NCRS.....you just made my day. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Kurt <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>

From Kansas, huh? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif Bet you're already wondering how it went from there to the Chicago area.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm currently at work <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif but my wife just text me saying my car delivered to Van T Chevrolet, Topeka Kansas and the production date was 6/19/1969. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Thanks Roy and NCRS.....you just made my day. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Kurt <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>

From Kansas, huh? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif Bet you're already wondering how it went from there to the Chicago area. </div></div>

Toto, we`re not in Kansas anymore <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

Dan

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the dealer for code 0. Zone 12. Zone 12 is buffalo but I don't know the dealer. Thanks </div></div>

I believe you will find dealer zero in zone 12 is the zone office. In other words a car going to dealer 0 in zone 12 was initially billed by GM to the Zone Office this happened for many reasons most typically because someone in the zone was assigned the car to use, however cars were billed to zone offices for other reasons also. </div></div>thanks Roy. This car in question is a high option 67 Ssrs l78 convertible so maybe some executive ordered it special. Would be nice to find the dealer. Thanks. Jeff </div></div>

The zone office is effectively the dealer, when it went to the frist dealer it was a used car.

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the dealer for code 0. Zone 12. Zone 12 is buffalo but I don't know the dealer. Thanks </div></div>

I believe you will find dealer zero in zone 12 is the zone office. In other words a car going to dealer 0 in zone 12 was initially billed by GM to the Zone Office this happened for many reasons most typically because someone in the zone was assigned the car to use, however cars were billed to zone offices for other reasons also. </div></div>thanks Roy. This car in question is a high option 67 Ssrs l78 convertible so maybe some executive ordered it special. Would be nice to find the dealer. Thanks. Jeff </div></div>Roy, what other reasons were cars sent to zone offices? At the zone office was there a warehouse or parking lot where the cars were unloaded? </div></div>

Can't answer that! I'm sure there was a procedure but I do not have a clue what it was.

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rsinor</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know the dealer for code 0. Zone 12. Zone 12 is buffalo but I don't know the dealer. Thanks </div></div>

I believe you will find dealer zero in zone 12 is the zone office. In other words a car going to dealer 0 in zone 12 was initially billed by GM to the Zone Office this happened for many reasons most typically because someone in the zone was assigned the car to use, however cars were billed to zone offices for other reasons also. </div></div>thanks Roy. This car in question is a high option 67 Ssrs l78 convertible so maybe some executive ordered it special. Would be nice to find the dealer. Thanks. Jeff </div></div>
Ok. I know the dealer who was the 2nd owner and is a famous high performance dealer.
The zone office is effectively the dealer, when it went to the frist dealer it was a used car. </div></div>

[SS427]

I need to run this report on the 1970 Dick Harrell Camaro I found many years ago as we always suspected it came from Van Chevrolet. Sure would be nice to find out if we were correct.

[TAR6569]

That's cool it was from the Buffalo zone. Typically, the zone office was the charge to dealer and the car was shipped to a local deal for the new car prep work. Usually were cars ordered by zone reps or owners of dealers. If the file on your car showed zone 12, dealer 0....then are these records actually the dealer (location) charged instead of where it was shipped? (Most were the same)

Not sure I've ever seen a car shipped directly to the zone office as per the docs.

Warren

[Drew Papsun]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I received mine today #32 &amp; 34 yes!!!!!, well sort of. I now have the zones, but the dealer info is limited.

Car 1 provided Zone 15 Dealer 339, but dealer name and address records are insufficient.. So if anyone has info on that zone and dealer it would be appreciated. Produced 9/8/69

My other car is zone 11 Dealer 372 and list dealer as Max Meyers Motors in Middlebury , IN. Now when I go to their data base and plug the #'s its show McManus Chevy, Chicago , IL 1970. Produced 4/2/69

I really appreciate the information, but for me the dealer info is inconclusive. Thanks again Roy, and good luck to others searching for dealer info.


BTW if anyone else has info on the zones listed above, I would appreciate that.

Hello Steve,
I have some information from 1977 of zone 15 dealer 339.
Jay Chevrolet
301 South Burntmill Road
Voorhees, NJ 08043
I can not tell you this is the same information for the year of 1969.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

</div></div>

[70 copo]

All of my info came in complete:

Production date matches the build date on the TT.

Dealer code 77 Zone 47

Dick Brubaker Inc
Kewanee, IL

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's cool it was from the Buffalo zone. Typically, the zone office was the charge to dealer and the car was shipped to a local deal for the new car prep work. Usually were cars ordered by zone reps or owners of dealers. If the file on your car showed zone 12, dealer 0....then are these records actually the dealer (location) charged instead of where it was shipped? (Most were the same)

Not sure I've ever seen a car shipped directly to the zone office as per the docs.

Warren </div></div>the 2nd dealer was not a local dealer near the zone

[KevinW]

I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution

Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that!

I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!!

[70 copo]

Soldier bought a car through the military at the PX??

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm currently at work <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif but my wife just text me saying my car delivered to Van T Chevrolet, Topeka Kansas and the production date was 6/19/1969. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Thanks Roy and NCRS.....you just made my day. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
Kurt <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>

From Kansas, huh? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif Bet you're already wondering how it went from there to the Chicago area. </div></div>

Toto, we`re not in Kansas anymore <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

Dan </div></div>

I love the production date. 6/19/1969

Great news, I predict a trip to Kansas in your future.

Ryan

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's cool it was from the Buffalo zone. Typically, the zone office was the charge to dealer and the car was shipped to a local deal for the new car prep work. Usually were cars ordered by zone reps or owners of dealers. If the file on your car showed zone 12, dealer 0....then are these records actually the dealer (location) charged instead of where it was shipped? (Most were the same)

Not sure I've ever seen a car shipped directly to the zone office as per the docs.

Warren </div></div>

My 1967 IPC was sent to the Indy Zone Office per the NCIB report...

[limerat5]

First of all I want to thank Roy Sinor for what he's doing for us! Got my report in today,Chevelle was built in van nays
And sold to angstman motor inc. havre Montana dealer code 35 in zone 36..production date 4/7/1971. Anyone with .information on this dealer I will greatly appreciate it.thanks

[69 Post Sedan]

Van T was dealer 887 in zone 5.

I'm not sure how they officially confirm the exact production date but June 19,1969 correlates with my trim tag 03733 which comes out to the 373rd car built on the 3rd day of the week, Wednesday, June 18th.

Pretty cool.

Kurt

[DaJudge]

My old 71 Judge was a factory show car. I had two factory to dealer invoices. The original one showed the Pontiac zone office in Jenkintown, PA as the bill to or dealer. When you run the PHS report now and get a copy of the invoice it showed Ted Rapp Pontiac in NJ as the bill to dealer. If the original owner and other owners did not keep that document I would have never known that. The buildsheet showed the zone office as well. What was really cool was that the buildsheet in machine print stated tag for Detroit / Atlantic City Auto shows. So from my experience with a Pontiac GM did change the information when the Zone office car was sent or bought by a dealer.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69 Post Sedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Van T was dealer 887 in zone 5.

I'm not sure how they officially confirm the exact production date but June 19,1969 correlates with my trim tag 03733 which comes out to the 373rd car built on the 3rd day of the week, Wednesday, June 18th.

Pretty cool.

Kurt </div></div>

I always knew she was a good car, being built on a Wednesday confirms it <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Dan

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's cool it was from the Buffalo zone. Typically, the zone office was the charge to dealer and the car was shipped to a local deal for the new car prep work. Usually were cars ordered by zone reps or owners of dealers. If the file on your car showed zone 12, dealer 0....then are these records actually the dealer (location) charged instead of where it was shipped? (Most were the same)

Not sure I've ever seen a car shipped directly to the zone office as per the docs.

Warren </div></div>the 2nd dealer was not a local dealer near the zone </div></div>

How far away was it from Buffalo?

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution

Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that!

I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!! </div></div>

There was a GM Overseas Division based out of New York City or that area. I think they had offices in multiple areas but the main one was in NY. I had a pop from a 67 Balto Chevelle and the dealer stamp was from the NY office and the owner lived in Wisconsin. I've seen a Chevelle build sheet that was charged to the same office then shipped to a dealer in the tri-state area. It's quite possible the info they gave you was who the car was charged to but it may have been shipped to a NJ dealer.

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's cool it was from the Buffalo zone. Typically, the zone office was the charge to dealer and the car was shipped to a local deal for the new car prep work. Usually were cars ordered by zone reps or owners of dealers. If the file on your car showed zone 12, dealer 0....then are these records actually the dealer (location) charged instead of where it was shipped? (Most were the same)

Not sure I've ever seen a car shipped directly to the zone office as per the docs.

Warren </div></div>the 2nd dealer was not a local dealer near the zone </div></div>350 miles

How far away was it from Buffalo? </div></div>

[TAR6569]

Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Can someone show a photo of this Document,
You can blank out the important info.
Just curious to see if it looks exactly like the corvette ones or not.

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away?

[KevinW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution

Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that!

I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!! </div></div>

There was a GM Overseas Division based out of New York City or that area. I think they had offices in multiple areas but the main one was in NY. I had a pop from a 67 Balto Chevelle and the dealer stamp was from the NY office and the owner lived in Wisconsin. I've seen a Chevelle build sheet that was charged to the same office then shipped to a dealer in the tri-state area. It's quite possible the info they gave you was who the car was charged to but it may have been shipped to a NJ dealer. </div></div>

The middle of 69, NOR was producing plenty of Camaros, If someone wanted one from NJ, it would have come from NOR IMHO. But someone from Hawaii would have gotten one from Van Nuys. That part makes sense to me, but the next step in my search eludes me.

[KevinW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone show a photo of this Document,
You can blank out the important info.
Just curious to see if it looks exactly like the corvette ones or not. </div></div>

This post has pic of one. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11724.180;topicseen

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away? </div></div>

Well the car was probably originally driven by some executive then after 3K miles or so, the car was offered to a local dealership that sold it to &quot;the first retail owner&quot;. Maybe that owner moved 6 hours away.

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away? </div></div>

Well the car was probably originally driven by some executive then after 3K miles or so, the car was offered to a local dealership that sold it to &quot;the first retail owner&quot;. Maybe that owner moved 6 hours away. </div></div>

Could have even gone to a dealer auction after the xxxxx miles, much like a lease car does today and been picked up by a dealer or individual.

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmm.... Maybe after it was sold used to the first retail owner, that owner traded it in at the 2nd hi perf dealership you mentioned </div></div>i don't know if the person who ordered it at the buffalo zone office traded it in at the 2nd dealership that was 6 hrs away? </div></div>

Well the car was probably originally driven by some executive then after 3K miles or so, the car was offered to a local dealership that sold it to &quot;the first retail owner&quot;. Maybe that owner moved 6 hours away. </div></div>original dealer name plate from 6 hrs away was on the car

[TAR6569]

do you know if that dealer was in the Buffalo Zone? I'm guessing it wasn't

[luzl78]

No. The car evidently went from the zone office in buffalo to the 2nd dealer 6hrs away. I don't know when that occurred and I'll probably will never know . Love following and finding out the history of the cars, especially special ordered high performance ones.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received my letter, I do not know whether to laugh or cry <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

6/23/69, Dealer code 1, Zone 79 (Hawaii), Dealer Name: GM overseas Distribution

Now what the heck am I supposed to do with that!

I bought the car in north NJ in 82 and it had a Seton Hall University sticker on the window. This car really traveled! LA to Hawaii to NJ!!! </div></div>

There was a GM Overseas Division based out of New York City or that area. I think they had offices in multiple areas but the main one was in NY. I had a pop from a 67 Balto Chevelle and the dealer stamp was from the NY office and the owner lived in Wisconsin. I've seen a Chevelle build sheet that was charged to the same office then shipped to a dealer in the tri-state area. It's quite possible the info they gave you was who the car was charged to but it may have been shipped to a NJ dealer. </div></div>

The middle of 69, NOR was producing plenty of Camaros, If someone wanted one from NJ, it would have come from NOR IMHO. But someone from Hawaii would have gotten one from Van Nuys. That part makes sense to me, but the next step in my search eludes me. </div></div>

I believe due to a strike the LOS plant stopped production prior to June of 69, so the Norwood plant would have been the only source. I know of many Norwood built cars sold in California in the June time frame. I have the specifics of why and when the Los plant shut down somewhere.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KevinW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can someone show a photo of this Document,
You can blank out the important info.
Just curious to see if it looks exactly like the corvette ones or not. </div></div>

This post has pic of one. http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11724.180;topicseen </div></div>

I have seen that Corvette one before, just want to see if the Camaro or Chevelle ones are a little different. Can someone post a photo from a Chevelle.

[bigsixman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone have any info on Auran Chevrolet, in Minot ND?

Thanks Roy and the NCRS the the great info!!!! </div></div>

Auran was the Chevrolet dealer in Minot, ND years ago. They sponsored a class legal 66 SS396 L-78 chevelle back in 1966 and 1967. Later sold and named Jim Ryan Chevrolet. Auran sold a lot of muscle cars in Minot because of the large air base located north of town.

[robber6910]

Why are they missing the '69 Camaro's produced from 9N508855 to 9N587275? Wonder if those will ever be found.......

[KevinW]

Steve, My Car is actually one of the 900 or so, LA strike cars (built after the strike ended with parts on hand). The TT is 05A and in my research, I had figured mine would be close to the front when they restarted the plant sometime in June. The 6/23/69 ship date proves this. I would be surprised if an order by a serviceman would have been held up a month by the strike, when they could have sourced it from NOR, but stranger things could have happened.

If you have more info on the strike you wish to share, it would be much appreciated.

[1969l78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone have any info on Auran Chevrolet, in Minot ND?

Thanks Roy and the NCRS the the great info!!!! </div></div>

Auran was the Chevrolet dealer in Minot, ND years ago. They sponsored a class legal 66 SS396 L-78 chevelle back in 1966 and 1967. Later sold and named Jim Ryan Chevrolet. Auran sold a lot of muscle cars in Minot because of the large air base located north of town. </div></div>

Thanks for the info. Looks like from what I saw on line the owner died in a car crash in 73 and then was bought buy Ryan and still in business today'

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I received mine today #32 &amp; 34 yes!!!!!, well sort of. I now have the zones, but the dealer info is limited.

Car 1 provided Zone 15 Dealer 339, but dealer name and address records are insufficient.. So if anyone has info on that zone and dealer it would be appreciated. Produced 9/8/69

My other car is zone 11 Dealer 372 and list dealer as Max Meyers Motors in Middlebury , IN. Now when I go to their data base and plug the #'s its show McManus Chevy, Chicago , IL 1970. Produced 4/2/69

I really appreciate the information, but for me the dealer info is inconclusive. Thanks again Roy, and good luck to others searching for dealer info.


BTW if anyone else has info on the zones listed above, I would appreciate that.

Hello Steve,
I have some information from 1977 of zone 15 dealer 339.
Jay Chevrolet
301 South Burntmill Road
Voorhees, NJ 08043
I can not tell you this is the same information for the year of 1969.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

</div></div> </div></div>

Drew, thank you I just received a second confirmation that my was delivered to Jay Chevrolet. Now I do feel like a 10 year old kid on Christmas morning. The search continues for me and all my fellow passionate enthusiast seeking delivery and ownership history on their cars.

My understanding is that zones and dealer # changed rather routinely for a variety of reason so its critical that you tie the delivery date with the zone and dealer information. A good example is my Indy Pace Car produced on 4/2/69 shipped to zone 11 Dealer 372, Max Meyers Chevrolet, IN and this same zone and dealer # changed in 1970 to McManus Cheverolet, IL. I'm learning like everyone else but it appears as zone reps changed and/or were promoted their territories changed which affected the zone and dealer #'s.

[Charley Lillard]

Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info.

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>

I would.. Photos of the dealerships would be cool too -to the extent they can be found.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>

I would.. Photos of the dealerships would be cool too -to the extent they can be found. </div></div>

Good idea Charley. BTW Jay Chevrolet is now a mini self-storage facility <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Our Z is 9N5275xx... such a shame no data exists!

Thanks for your attempt Roy.

Dan</div></div>

Yes Dan, I guess you and I and our early cars are out of luck.

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>
Rob started one 11 years ago here.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/429804/Re:_Zone/Dealer_codes

[mockingbird812]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>

I believe at least one Corvette site has done this and has a database with alot of Chevy dealerships. I don't recall which site however.

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>

I believe at least one Corvette site has done this and has a database with alot of Chevy dealerships. I don't recall which site however. </div></div>

http://www.ncrs.org/dealercodes.php

Verne

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>

I believe at least one Corvette site has done this and has a database with alot of Chevy dealerships. I don't recall which site however. </div></div>

http://www.ncrs.org/dealercodes.php

Verne </div></div>


That is the database I've used for years. In fact I just input the two dealerships with zones I received yesterday. Unfortunately that database has no controls that I'm aware of, so there could be data accuracy issues. Take for instance someone buys a car with a fake buildsheet and the new owner enters the data from the sheet. Well now the database has been corrupted. With that said I've used it for years and find it very useful, but be aware the data is not perfect.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I can't wait to get my results, even Benjamin at age 12 is getting excited to finally learn if his Nova is from Sunderland Chevrolet like we think. I'm thinking it could also be from Sutliff or Ammon R Smith....

[supercomp 8.90]

just received the paperwork today thanks roy and ncrs for the great service! ,does anyone have any info on yd keyser inc Lansdale, pa. ??

[supercomp 8.90]

I just did a google search and td keyser keeps popping up maybe it was spelled wrong in the report?

[DaJudge]

It was TD Keyser Chevrolet. It was on South Broad Street in Lansdale, Pa. About 15 minutes from me. It's a banquet center now .

[Mikes12zl1]

My Van nuys Lm1 supposedly spent its entire life in southern ca. Can't wait to see where it was first delivered. I'm # 792

[roeville]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mikes12zl1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My Van nuys Lm1 supposedly spent its entire life in southern ca. Can't wait to see where it was first delivered. I'm # 792 </div></div>
Be sure to post when you get your info because I'm #849. Can't wait to see the price of license plate frames go up. - Mike

[jannes_z-28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supercomp 8.90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just did a google search and td keyser keeps popping up maybe it was spelled wrong in the report? </div></div>

T &amp; Y is next to each other on the keyboard, someone with thick fingers...

[supercomp 8.90]

thanks for the info judge, you may be right jan lol! I wonder if they sold any copos in 69? I looked through my copo dealers lists nothing there.

[TAR6569]

I've had a couple of pops from that dealer. Maybe they can send you a new sheet with the correct spelling

[JRSully]

My 70 L78 Nova came from Sutliff, spoke to Greg Sutliff personally a few years ago and he said most, if not all, the paperwork for the 60's, 70's cars was in a nearby warehouse. He hired a kid to sort it out, but the kid chucked it in the dumpster according to Greg. He was not happy

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRSully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 70 L78 Nova came from Sutliff, spoke to Greg Sutliff personally a few years ago and he said most, if not all, the paperwork for the 60's, 70's cars was in a nearby warehouse. He hired a kid to sort it out, but the kid chucked it in the dumpster according to Greg. He was not happy </div></div>

Quite sad!

[hvychev]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, now the car I really wanted the information on is my 1969 rs/z. I originally purchased it in 1977. Dealer 339 Zone 15. Someone must have a car purchased from this mysterious dealer. I purchased the car in the Cherry Hill, NJ area .</div></div>

I looked at many sheets from Baltimore built Chevelles, and all the zone 15 cars were dealers in NJ or PA, mostly PA. </div></div>

I just did a little research on McManus, looks like they changed quite a bit Gillespie, Kingdom. I'll pm to discuss further. </div></div>

Steve, here is a couple of pieces of McManus Chevrolet memorabilia from my collection. They were located at 6711 S. Western Ave. on Chicago's south side. They did NOT become Guillespe or Kingdom. Tony Piet Pontiac was located a block away at 6603-6637 S. Western Ave. Gullespe opened up at THAT location and when Guillespe closed down Kingdom opened there. So I guess those stores succeeded McManus' ticket but NOT the location.

The item on the bottom is a mirror visor thingie.

http://i.imgur.com/eXcjo40.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JnBvjdK.jpg

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRSully</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 70 L78 Nova came from Sutliff, spoke to Greg Sutliff personally a few years ago and he said most, if not all, the paperwork for the 60's, 70's cars was in a nearby warehouse. He hired a kid to sort it out, but the kid chucked it in the dumpster according to Greg. He was not happy </div></div>

Man that's a bizarre story if it's true. Too bad as there a number of Sutliff cars still out there. I also seem to find Sutliff pops at Carlisle

[DaJudge]

Supercomp, the only reason I know is my Uncle had a 66 SS Impala that he bought from TD new. I am seeing him this week and will ask if he still has the dealer paperwork envelope and anything else. He is known to keep stuff. Will keep you posted

[ss427copo]

This forum is the BEST. Now, many can use this technology to &quot;track down&quot; history on their cars. If our forum didn't exist, I may have never caught the attention of BWAG, a member here, who ordered, worked for and spent most of the time in &quot;his&quot; Camaro's seat when it represented Schmidt Chevrolet in Ohio. It nice to able to pick up the phone and chat with the original owner and find out things like what was the weather on the day of its delivery!!

Thanks Bob. You're the best.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r59/nhra1060sc/image-5.jpg (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/nhra1060sc/media/image-5.jpg.html)

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r59/nhra1060sc/imagejpg1_zps9811156e.jpg (http://s141.photobucket.com/user/nhra1060sc/media/imagejpg1_zps9811156e.jpg.html)

[TAR6569]

Hopefully as a result of this service, some cars surface from dealers I have paperwork from!

[MJR]

I received my NCRS document today and my 1970 Daytona Yellow Chevelle LS6 came from these guys:
Celozzi-Ettleson Chevrolet
Elmhurst, Il.
Zone 11 Dealer 108

Does anyone remember this car from this area/dealer?

I've talked to Mike Ettleson, the son of Maury Ettleson and he's going to ask some &quot;old timers&quot; if they remember the car.

THANK YOU NCRS &amp; Roy for sending me in the right direction.



Michael

[68SSCamaro]

I received mine today.

My car was delivered to George Olsen Chevrolet in San Francisco.
Zone 6, Dealer 452

I think it spent some time in Modesto (radiator tag). Probably came down here to So Cal in the 1980's. I bought it in 1990.

Martin

[Atuckman]

i was number 206/207. Just got mine in mail today. No surprises thankfully. Phew.

Great turnaround and invaluable service.
Thank you

[TAR6569]

Chevy dealers in Elmhurst, ILL.

1966 it was Tom Edwards Chevrolet and in 1968 it was Zepelak Chevrolet.

Warren

[Postsedan]

[quote=MJR]I received my NCRS document today and my 1970 Daytona Yellow Chevelle LS6 came from these guys:
Celozzi-Ettleson Chevrolet
Elmhurst, Il.
Zone 11 Dealer 108

Does anyone remember this car from this area/dealer?

I've talked to Mike Ettleson, the son of Maury Ettleson and he's going to ask some &quot;old timers&quot; if they remember the car.

THANK YOU NCRS &amp; Roy for sending me in the right direction.



Michael

Michael,

Celozzi-Ettleson Chevrolet
Elmhurst, Il.
Zone 11 Dealer 108

Was in my home town.....it was a Great Dealership....remember it like it was yesterday..... a lot of great cars were SOLD from Celozzi-Ettleson Chevrolet. Including a lot of LS6`s.

I almost had the opportunity to restore your Chevelle....former owner had us (NOS Restoration) bid on a Frame-Off Restoration. I would have loved to have restored it.

Dan

[MJR]

Dan,

Sent you an email.


Michael

[Postsedan]

Michael,

Great talking with you <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Michael,

Great talking with you <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan </div></div>

Fun stuff.

Ryan

[BLACKLS5]

Anyone familiar with Lang Chevrolet in Fairborn,Oh. Looks to be a on the outskirts of Dayton. My 69 L78 Chevelle was sold there. Known Hi-Performance dealer? Thanks for any insight. Troy

[mockingbird812]

There is a Langs Chev. Still in business but is in Beavercreek about 15 mins from Fairborn. I think Mike Angelo's (m22mike) black '69 L78 Camaro came from Langs.

[m22mike]

Yep it was...Sam, you ever run into anyone around there that knew that dealer ?

Mike

[TAR6569]

There was &quot;The Lang Chevrolet Co, Xenia OH&quot; as well

[m22mike]

Check out the links below. Dick Lang had a race history, in his blog page scroll down about half way and on the right side of the page is some history on Lang Chevy. A old dealership, looks like they started in Xenia Oh and moved to a new facility in 1953 in Fairborn Oh


Dick Lang / Lang Chevrolet (http://dicklang.blogspot.com/)

Dick Lang ZO6 (http://)

<a href="http://www.racingsportscars.com/CarResults.aspx?

driver=dick-lang-usa" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dick Lang sports car races</a>

[mockingbird812]

The Langs (with an &quot;s&quot; at the end) has been in business for 82 yrs according to their Web site. (http://www.langs.com)

[MJR]

Dan,

Thanks for the call.

Wrong car, but still appreciate you taking the time to call me.


Michael

[m22mike]

Sam
I would have to believe it is the same dealership, not sure why they now call it Langs.

Mike

[BLACKLS5]

Mike, Thanks for the links. Looks like he was quite the accomplished racer. Interesting to say the least...

[TAR6569]

I once had a protectoplate from a 65 Impala from the Lang in Xenia

[mockingbird812]

I'll check it out and get back to you.

[L78M22Rag]

Anyone familiar with Bill Stearns Chevrolet-Oldsmobile in Ladysmith, WI?
Dealer code 806 in zone 4.

[snydes]

How about Thompson Chevrolet in Loveland Ohio? Haven't been able to dig up many references to this one so far.

[roeville]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snydes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about Thompson Chevrolet in Loveland Ohio? Haven't been able to dig up many references to this one so far. </div></div> I'm guessing you already saw this:
9-599 THOMPSON CHEVROLET 9666 LOVELAND MADERIA ROAD LOVELAND Ohio Unknown 1967 No longer in Busines THE NUMBER ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STICKER UNDER CHEVROLET MOTOR DIVISION IS 807405

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snydes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about Thompson Chevrolet in Loveland Ohio? Haven't been able to dig up many references to this one so far. </div></div>

I've seen 68 and 69 Impala pops from there.

Nothing on that WI dealer.

Warren

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drew Papsun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I received mine today #32 &amp; 34 yes!!!!!, well sort of. I now have the zones, but the dealer info is limited.

Car 1 provided Zone 15 Dealer 339, but dealer name and address records are insufficient.. So if anyone has info on that zone and dealer it would be appreciated. Produced 9/8/69

My other car is zone 11 Dealer 372 and list dealer as Max Meyers Motors in Middlebury , IN. Now when I go to their data base and plug the #'s its show McManus Chevy, Chicago , IL 1970. Produced 4/2/69

I really appreciate the information, but for me the dealer info is inconclusive. Thanks again Roy, and good luck to others searching for dealer info.


BTW if anyone else has info on the zones listed above, I would appreciate that.

Hello Steve,
I have some information from 1977 of zone 15 dealer 339.
Jay Chevrolet
301 South Burntmill Road
Voorhees, NJ 08043
I can not tell you this is the same information for the year of 1969.
Regards,
Drew Papsun

</div></div> </div></div>

Drew, thank you I just received a second confirmation that my was delivered to Jay Chevrolet. Now I do feel like a 10 year old kid on Christmas morning. The search continues for me and all my fellow passionate enthusiast seeking delivery and ownership history on their cars.

My understanding is that zones and dealer # changed rather routinely for a variety of reason so its critical that you tie the delivery date with the zone and dealer information. A good example is my Indy Pace Car produced on 4/2/69 shipped to zone 11 Dealer 372, Max Meyers Chevrolet, IN and this same zone and dealer # changed in 1970 to McManus Cheverolet, IL. I'm learning like everyone else but it appears as zone reps changed and/or were promoted their territories changed which affected the zone and dealer #'s. </div></div>

I just spoke with the original owners son(I've been trying for 8 years). The car was in fact purchased new at McManus Chevrolet. The good news is he mentioned that he has original documentation and pictures from the day his dad brought it home. His father bought as a birthday present for his mom. Not sure the logic; who buys there wife (115lbs) a 396 4spd Indy Pace without power steering. The car only had 29K miles when they sold it in 1990 and now has 32K.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hvychev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rixls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK, now the car I really wanted the information on is my 1969 rs/z. I originally purchased it in 1977. Dealer 339 Zone 15. Someone must have a car purchased from this mysterious dealer. I purchased the car in the Cherry Hill, NJ area .</div></div>

I looked at many sheets from Baltimore built Chevelles, and all the zone 15 cars were dealers in NJ or PA, mostly PA. </div></div>

I just did a little research on McManus, looks like they changed quite a bit Gillespie, Kingdom. I'll pm to discuss further. </div></div>

Steve, here is a couple of pieces of McManus Chevrolet memorabilia from my collection. They were located at 6711 S. Western Ave. on Chicago's south side. They did NOT become Guillespe or Kingdom. Tony Piet Pontiac was located a block away at 6603-6637 S. Western Ave. Gullespe opened up at THAT location and when Guillespe closed down Kingdom opened there. So I guess those stores succeeded McManus' ticket but NOT the location.

The item on the bottom is a mirror visor thingie.

http://i.imgur.com/eXcjo40.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JnBvjdK.jpg </div></div>

Hi Frank, I appreciate the information you've provided. Do you know when they went out of business? Now I'm on a mission for memorabilia....

[bergy]

These stories are great! NCRS efforts have opened up a new avenue of research - thanks again to Roy &amp; NCRS for their efforts!

[olredalert]

----In the spring of 1967 I thought I wanted a new 67 Corvette to replace my 66. No one else including my banker felt the same as me, but I went on the hunt anyway. I was then a sophmore at Ohio U. For a couple of weeks I travelled all over southern Ohio to different Chevy dealers and one of them was Langs as I had heard they were a performance dealer, and they definetly were. Of course, I never managed to buy a 67 then, but I did see my first 396/375 67 Camaro. It was white with a black gut and had both headers and an extra complete 4:56 gearset in the trunk (right from the factory). Not one other option! Id love to know where that one went. That's when I figured they were right about Langs being a performance dealer. Well,,,that and about 15 Corvettes and other assorted Chevy muscle everywhere. Great, great dealership!!!!!!!!!.........Bill S

[Stefano]

Have seen some very cool Solid lifter cars sold out of McManus.

Very recently a 1969 Impala SS L72 4 speed M21 with 3.73 posi, with original window sticker and original POP.

[SMGCO]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do we want to start a separate thread that people list their Zone-dealer info ? Not the car, just the zone info. </div></div>

Absolutely. That should help a lot.

[Born30YrsLate]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78M22Rag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone familiar with Bill Stearns Chevrolet-Oldsmobile in Ladysmith, WI?
Dealer code 806 in zone 4.</div></div>
Hey Helmut...I have a friend who is from that part of Wiscy...I'll see what I can find out...

[SMGCO]

Anybody know where Zone 20 is ?

And or Dealer 140 ?

[69hurstSC]

That sounds like a bitchin ride <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have seen some very cool Solid lifter cars sold out of McManus.

Very recently a 1969 Impala SS L72 4 speed M21 with 3.73 posi, with original window sticker and original POP. </div></div>

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMGCO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody know where Zone 20 is ?

And or Dealer 140 ? </div></div>

In 1985 its was listed as:

20

140

CROSSROADS CHEVROLET INC

5430 LANKERSHIM BLVD

NORTH HOLLYWOOD

California

91601

1985

[BLACKLS5]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----In the spring of 1967 I thought I wanted a new 67 Corvette to replace my 66. No one else including my banker felt the same as me, but I went on the hunt anyway. I was then a sophmore at Ohio U. For a couple of weeks I travelled all over southern Ohio to different Chevy dealers and one of them was Langs as I had heard they were a performance dealer, and they definetly were. Of course, I never managed to buy a 67 then, but I did see my first 396/375 67 Camaro. It was white with a black gut and had both headers and an extra complete 4:56 gearset in the trunk (right from the factory). Not one other option! Id love to know where that one went. That's when I figured they were right about Langs being a performance dealer. Well,,,that and about 15 Corvettes and other assorted Chevy muscle everywhere. Great, great dealership!!!!!!!!!.........Bill S </div></div>

Cool story Bill... Was it common for guys your age to be hunting new Corvettes? I must have been focusing my attention at the wrong things when I was younger.LOL

[Tommy]

Well, I got my email today and notice of my refund. No information was found on my Nova. I do appreciate them trying though.

My 68 is an 07B built Nova. Bad place for that gap to be in on 68 Novas.


Tommy

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I'm hearing about this trend, I will be beyond bummed if I get the same.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have seen some very cool Solid lifter cars sold out of McManus.

Very recently a 1969 Impala SS L72 4 speed M21 with 3.73 posi, with original window sticker and original POP. </div></div>

Got any more details on that Impala. I'm not familiar with that one.

[Born30YrsLate]

Got mine on the Bumblebee COPO...matches the NICB report and reaffirms owner history back to the guy that ordered the car...dealership owner's son who is still around.
Fresch Chevrolet-Oldsmobile-Cadillac, Inc
Dealer Code 209 zone 9
London, OH

Looks like I'll be having a 45th birthday party on 9/23 for the car this year.

If anyone comes across anything from this dealer please contact me!

Many thanks to all who were involved in making this happen!

[cjrolke]

Thompson Chevrolet was bought out by Voss out of Dayton around 1990 then they closed down now there is a strip mall and a burger king where it was at
my brother worked there for a few years

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roeville</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: snydes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about Thompson Chevrolet in Loveland Ohio? Haven't been able to dig up many references to this one so far. </div></div> I'm guessing you already saw this:
9-599 THOMPSON CHEVROLET 9666 LOVELAND MADERIA ROAD LOVELAND Ohio Unknown 1967 No longer in Busines THE NUMBER ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STICKER UNDER CHEVROLET MOTOR DIVISION IS 807405 </div></div>

[jannes_z-28]

One thought have popped up in my mind.

Would these NCRS records be the ones that have circled around in the rumors for 25 years. You know the ones that has said that there are GM records available somewhere...


Jan

[iluv69s]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BLACKLS5</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----In the spring of 1967 I thought I wanted a new 67 Corvette to replace my 66. No one else including my banker felt the same as me, but I went on the hunt anyway. I was then a sophmore at Ohio U. For a couple of weeks I travelled all over southern Ohio to different Chevy dealers and one of them was Langs as I had heard they were a performance dealer, and they definetly were. Of course, I never managed to buy a 67 then, but I did see my first 396/375 67 Camaro. It was white with a black gut and had both headers and an extra complete 4:56 gearset in the trunk (right from the factory). Not one other option! Id love to know where that one went. That's when I figured they were right about Langs being a performance dealer. Well,,,that and about 15 Corvettes and other assorted Chevy muscle everywhere. Great, great dealership!!!!!!!!!.........Bill S </div></div>

Cool story Bill... Was it common for guys your age to be hunting new Corvettes? I must have been focusing my attention at the wrong things when I was younger.LOL </div></div>


Me as a college junior? ..I had just bought my first of atleast 20 VWs!!! 200 bucks for a 69 beetle !! Not quite a Vette!! I was on financial aid..Are you kidding ??

but because of that passion, I still own my first Supercar..my Grandma's 1975 Super Beetle that she bought new!!! hahaha

[m22mike]

VW's were cool... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif...Learned to drive on a 1960, after I would brown nose the old man by cleaning the car up he would let me drive it in the empty lot next to our house. Man was I cool.

Mike

[camaromb]

VWs were great transportation for broke college kids as I was. My $700 '75 lime green fuellie beetle always got me home safe. Who needs a floor or heat without exhaust fumes anyway.

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One thought have popped up in my mind.

Would these NCRS records be the ones that have circled around in the rumors for 25 years. You know the ones that has said that there are GM records available somewhere...


Jan </div></div>


I don't believe so Jan.
The GM rumor docs were reported to have more details showing options,color &amp; trim.Carbon copies of the build sheets,P-O-P &amp; window stickers.

[PeteLeathersac]

Besides paper copies of anything, I've always hoped that microfilm records would eventually be found for US cars like what the Canadian built or delivered info is gleaned from.
What made me more hopeful is Dave M. shared some GM internal Z16 info once which looked much like the Canadian microfilm, so is it known absolutely yes/no if GM ever made microfilm records for US delivered cars...regardless of whether any is known existing today or not?
What does the PHS group use to provide their service, old paperwork or microfilm?
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[GaryC]

Back in 86-87 I spoke to a guy that someone told me to call about this supposed Judge I bought. IIRC it may have been Tommy Shaw?, I THINK he was a mag editor back then. He told me to contact Pontiac Public Relations with the VIN and just a few weeks later I got a microfish copy of the build sheet confirming it was a Judge. It was printed out on what looked like the same paper on a roll that was used on the old fax machines and just a tad fuzzy but very readable. This was before PHS I believe. I wonder if that is where PHS got their documents.

[jannes_z-28]

Just got confirmation that my documents have been sent, I had order number 399.

I guess it will take up to two weeks for it to arrive over here.


Jan

[67rs/ss]

Just received an email documents in the mail order #'s 256,257,258.
One is a 67 camaro Norwood and the other 2 are Los 67 camaros.


Tony