really cool 70 Z28..simply the best.

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
Check the original bat wing (assembly line) wheel weight!

[/ QUOTE ]
And it ain't no leight-weight, either! Looks like that wheel/tire balanced about like all of my repro tires have...!!

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
Points deduct for too much goop... http://www.yenko.net/attachments/371981-tn_Picture420.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL! you will just have to "restore" it to what it should be then ... j/k http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[wwchevy]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372002-tn_Picture571.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Absolutely Amazing that the clock stopped at the exact moment Doris dinged the door.......I think???? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Hotrodpaul]

Wow, my LA built Z28 was built about a week earlier (03B). I wonder if it has a buildsheet tucked in the right front fender?

Paul

[VintageMusclecar]

[ QUOTE ]
Notice the yellow paint dab on the dist. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/371978-tn_Picture341.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Charley;

Is there a similar yellow paint daub on the drivers side rear corner of the baseplate on the carb? I've had a number of unmolested `70 BB carbs in which all had a yellow daub, just wondering if the LT1 got it too.

Thanks.
Eric

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
pic of a build sheet still bolted to inner fender and taped to the firewall. Would be gone if it ever got wet. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/371609-tn_HPIM0701.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

[firstgenaddict]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I'm guessing the white mark was to know where to put the weight. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372001-tn_Picture562.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.

[/ QUOTE ]

And they used different color wax blobs to indicate the different weights...

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
pic of a build sheet still bolted to inner fender and taped to the firewall. Would be gone if it ever got wet. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/371609-tn_HPIM0701.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

[/ QUOTE ]

You can just imagine that build sheet taped to the firewall and when the assembly line worker comes and lines up the front clip to the car it get pinched in between the fenderwell and the bracket...Amazing.

[firstgenaddict]

It is amazing... just like what I am sure is a Chassis build sheet on the rear... like john Z said... all the sub assemblies subframe, rears, body, front sheet metal, etc... had build sheets taped to them, when the cars went together the sheets were supposed to be pulled off and disposed of...

They left so much on this one that if you threw a Just Married sign in the window, it would have been right at home leaving a church as an assembly line! BUT CAN I HAVE IT!!! PLEASE? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Stefano]

I'm confident that some of the same "build Sheets" etc.. were left on other cars. They just didn't Survive like this one.

[firstgenaddict]

...just ribbing charlie a little

[Charley Lillard]

Jason and Dan just spotted another build sheet under the drivers seat.

[TimG]

Send it to me, I need one for my Z.

[Mr70]

LOL..just another excuse why this car will never make it to you before the end of the year.
Who could blame them.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[lineman]

WOW talk about a great find !!! Thank you for sharing those pics, Amazing Car !!!

[Stefano]

That's 4 build sheets and counting..........

[COPO427]

Very nice find indeed. Observation: Looks like the deck lid emblem is mounted in a different position compared to where the stripes are on this car compared to the assembly manual stripe measurements and where the mounting holes are on the underside of the lid. Maybe the underside hole positions changed throughout the year on some lids for the emblem.

Phil may want to comment.

[Charley Lillard]

I need some 1970 air. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372220-tn_1970air.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

CTC appears to be a CTA that has a C stuck over the A...How cool is that ? Must be a fake. Points deduct. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372222-tn_Picture002.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372223-tn_Picture003.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

Even undercoating up there.... http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372224-tn_Picture004.jpg

[lbnaz]

Very nice car. Did you see the temp guage at just past 210? What is the dolar value of this car since it will be the bench mark? Larry.

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372226-tn_Picture005.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

pink on head http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372227-tn_Picture016.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

trans tag http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372229-tn_Picture023.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

I'm guessing it hasn't been turned over in awhile. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372230-tn_Picture033.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372234-tn_Picture035.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372235-tn_Picture034.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372236-tn_Picture036.jpg

[JChlupsa]

Nice VERY VERY NICE

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372237-372222-tn_Picture002.jpg

[Jacsey 70Z]

Is that a NON tower clamp on the lower Rad hose? Or am I seeing things!!

[firstgenaddict]

Clil...


the Larry Flint of Car Porn...

[JChlupsa]

Congrats Charley. hope to see the car in person some day

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372241-372229-tn_Picture023.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

Rarely do you encounter a club shaped wire separator... WOW!

[Mr70]

Cool..Thanks for the CW tag pic Jason..and the flip Jeff.
...getting serious. http://www.lotterypost.com/emoticons/lurk.gif

[budnate]

I have a question, if it was my car I cant decide what a guy does with it...

1- do you dust and vacumm the interior pump up the tires and leave it as is unfired and dusty under the hood and under the car and display it as is???

2- clean the interior and carefully clean under the hood and suspension and try to get things clean without losing anything and check things and fire it up and display it like that??

how far you thinking of going with it, charley

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
I have a question, if it was my car I cant decide what a guy does with it...

1- do you dust and vacumm the interior pump up the tires and leave it as is unfired and dusty under the hood and under the car and display it as is???

2- clean the interior and carefully clean under the hood and suspension and try to get things clean without losing anything and check things and fire it up and display it like that??

how far you thinking of going with it, charley

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[/ QUOTE ] I would hope option #2 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camaromb]

Amazing car Charlie, but I think it should be carefully cleaned. Its not Chevy dust for God's sake! I think the non-Chevy undercoating could be carefully removed to expose the amazing details underneath. Unfortunately the floor pans are black not Norwood red primer underneath. The benchmark car for sure, clean it back to showroom new!
Mark

[owners2]

That car is awesome Charlie. Great Score!!!!Can't wait to see it in person.

[RamAirDave]

Most would love to see it back on the road again, but it's a tough decision.

I only have experience with reviving one barn survivor car. A 7900 mile car that had been dormant for decades.

First was getting it running again. Not a big deal, made sure it turned over, oil change w/ 1qt of dex/merc. Clean the tank, lines, and rebuild carb. Plus plugs/points, and later the plug wires replaced. Once it got to temp, heater core was shot.

Hit the brake pedal, no go. Rebuilt master cylinder, no prob. But once the brake system built pressure, more issues. F-R hard line sprung leaks, wheel cylinders shot, and rear flex was clogged. That nice, new F-R brake line looks out of place, and the carb is a little cleaner than the rest of the engine, but it's back on the road running like a top.

Chuckle's car is probably better and would (likely) have less issues, but still a possibility. While a lot of the original stuff can be rebuilt, there's still a chance you'll have no choice other than to replace some things.

So I guess the question is do you roll the dice and hope everything will be okay, or possibly have to alter some of the originality in order to get it back on the road again?

[Charley Lillard]

Some wires are dated 4Q69 and others are dated 1Q70 Point deduct for that ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372292-tn_Picture037.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372293-tn_Picture038.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372294-tn_Picture039.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372295-tn_Picture040.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

two different ends on the plug wires. Point deduct ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372296-tn_Picture041.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372297-tn_Picture042.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372299-tn_Picture043.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372300-tn_Picture044.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372301-tn_Picture045.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372303-tn_Picture046.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372304-tn_Picture053.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372305-tn_Picture054.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

build sheet in front seat. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372306-tn_Picture020.jpg

[firstgenaddict]

SO Freaking cool... that thing is http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[Xplantdad]

I like the overspray under the hood...cool stuff http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Thanks for the insulation photo Charley,

Clips also http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif,

I wonder why there are two depressions in the insulation??

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Per Dan...Jasons partner in crime in alot of this car stuff...

the tire dates are all 1st week Feb. 1970 wheels are:Rt. rear=2-26-70 Rt. front=2-25-70 left front=2-16=70 left rear 2-25-70

[1967Z28]

Congratulations, Charley. This neat piece of Chevrolet history has found a great new home.

-Jon

[sixtiesmuscle]

Yeah, at Jason's. By the way Charley, the wheel dates being off are a multi point deduction.

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
Some wires are dated 4Q69 and others are dated 1Q70

[/ QUOTE ]

My January built Nova is the same; a mix of 4Q68 and 1Q69.

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372223-tn_Picture003.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

That's beautiful! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Xplantdad]

Yeah, but you always liked oil... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for the insulation photo Charley,

Clips also http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif,

I wonder why there are two depressions in the insulation??

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a clearance notch for the free crossram that came in the trunk on all of these 70 Z's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for the insulation photo Charley,

Clips also http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif,

I wonder why there are two depressions in the insulation??

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Carl....the depressions are actually molded into the insulation to create clearance for the air cleaner. I just bought a new one from Chuck Sharrin (CamarosRus) You could contact him and see if he has any left.


http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l232/rmitch120/tn_P1000332.jpg

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372223-tn_Picture003.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

Points deduct for the oil being overfull http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Could the two different ends on the plug wires be an engineering change between 4Q69 and 1Q70? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372304-tn_Picture053.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

I see the depression which is longitudinally symmetrical, my question was the presence of the second circular depression, which for lack of a better term appears to be peeking out from the center one????

I see it on the original and on Chucks. May be a question without an answer but..............

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Charley....could you post pictures of the engine lift brackets and any markings that might be on them? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[kwhizz]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372304-tn_Picture053.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

I see the depression which is longitudinally symmetrical, my question was the presence of the second circular depression, which for lack of a better term appears to be peeking out from the center one????

I see it on the original and on Chucks. May be a question without an answer but..............

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


Maybe the offcenter depression was for a 6 cyl Air Cleaner..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Ken

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
..........May be a question without an answer but..............

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/hood_crop-circles.JPG


there is someting out there..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Crap,

I knew aliens were involved somehow.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[CamarosRus]

Showing the OEM Hood Insulation on a Std Interior Z-28 sure makes my day..........

But now we'll have the argument that 70 Norwood Std Int Camaros didnt receive them......

[Xplantdad]

That was funny Chris! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[GTO_DON]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372304-tn_Picture053.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

I see the depression which is longitudinally symmetrical, my question was the presence of the second circular depression, which for lack of a better term appears to be peeking out from the center one????

I see it on the original and on Chucks. May be a question without an answer but..............

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


Maybe the offcenter depression was for a 6 cyl Air Cleaner..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

Ken

[/ QUOTE ] BINGO You got it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

70forestgreez...all your clips are installed differently compared to mine...Who gets the points deduct ?

[Stefano]

Randy's Z is a bit over restored.

[firstgenaddict]

look no underhood lamp but the knock out is gone... how many guys are gonna go pull theirs out?

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372591-tn_Picture055.jpg

[CamarosRus]

To all interested, I helped develop the reproduction molded hood pad. I sold over fifty of them to the members at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com) as well as a few here. I can also supply the correct metal clips for 70 and early 71's or the Round Plastic clips for late 71 (I can give cut-off) forward.

The "experts" on the hood pad subject dont agree completely on which models used the pad. We do agree that the RPO Z27 SS350 & 396 and RPO Z87 Custom Interior received the hood pad.

Randy Mitchell from this site (pictured above has a L.A. built std interior car that he replaced the worn OEM pad with a new one.....and now Charlie's L.A. built std int Z-28 shows the pad.

It would be very interesting to see/hear evidence of a 70+ NORWOOD Camaro Std interior (Non SS) receiving insulation!!!

Please report any FACTUAL info to my below Email, as it was not my intention to turn this thread into a Hood Insulation thread.

Thanks, Chuck [email protected]

[Budz]

If we're allowed to request pic's, a couple more I'd like to see are the lower attaching bolt's for the rear bumper guards, and also one of the gas cap. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372645-tn_HPIM0452.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372646-tn_HPIM0456.JPG

[Mr70]

....red posi tag around the diff. plug too please Charley/Jason,Thank You.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Look's like they painted the trunk lid with the rubber bumpers installed,has anyone ever seen this before???

[Charley Lillard]

Residue from the stock # sticker that was on the windshield. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372700-Picture057.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

points deduct for the residue ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372706-Picture058.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

Now this is really cool. If you look closely you will see marks on the paint for what we assume is laying out the stencils for the stripes. This car has never been waxed and if it had they would have been gone. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372724-Picture059.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372725-Picture060.jpg

[SuperNovaSS]

Now that is amazing. I can't believe Jason hasn't waxed it yet! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif


Jason

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372727-Picture061.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

Notice the little dent in the tag with the date ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372728-Picture064.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

Pointing out the fact that the front clip is painted seperately http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372730-IMG_2602.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372732-IMG_2604.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

Screw isn't all the way in. Also notice there is a valve stem cap stuck in the undercoat on the subframe. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372733-Picture197.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

This one the guy managed to scratch the trim while trying to put the screw in and then gave up I guess. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372734-Picture198.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

Don't give me or Jason any credit for these recent pics. It is Dan doing the snooping around the car and sending me the pics. If you have anything specific you need to see without taking the car apart, you need to beg Dan.

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372738-Picture507.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372743-Picture508.jpg

[canadian_ssl78]

[ QUOTE ]
This one the guy managed to scratch the trim while trying to put the screw in and then gave up I guess. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372734-Picture198.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]
Now that is quality. Did you get a discount for the damage?

[Charley Lillard]

engine lift as requested..hard to see http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372753-Picture341.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372754-Picture385.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372755-Picture340.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

On this CTC sticker you can also see the second C is over a A http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372757-Picture344.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372760-Picture551.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372761-Picture554.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372762-Picture555.jpg

[Mr70]

Look at that.A diamond mesh air filter.
Dan,
Can you get a shot of the TCS solenoid & 4way Vacuum line Tee,rivits holding the TCS relay to the firewall and Differential fluid plug tag please?

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372779-Picture158.jpg

[CamarosRus]

Interested to hear from other 70 enthusiasts if Charley's L.A truck paint "looks" different from OEM Norwood paint....

[Charley Lillard]

Kind of confirms that it hasn't been run in awhile. I need to ask Norman if he changed the coolant to something red at some time. Maybe when the gates clamp was installed ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372794-Picture510.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372796-Picture366.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372798-Picture388.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372799-Picture538.jpg

[CamarosRus]

FYI, The above 5/8" x 1" oblong hole wheels were only made/used on Jan-early June 70 Z-28's, before changing to 13/16" x 1" holes on late June/July Z's, which stayed through the 1974 Model Year.

It wasnt until the reintroduction of Z-28 in 77' when the ROUND hole wheels came out.

Those correct plastic/metal tip air valve extensions are rarely seen on any restored Z-28

Previous picture showed better the RARE 1st design trim ring and very rare high crown stainless jacketed lug nuts.

[L78racer]

When I workd at the Chevy dealer in '70, the 'long' water pumps used in '69-'70 had a very high failure rate. Could explain the clamp on the Z. Just a thought.

[TimG]

I love it, keep em comming........

[Hotrodpaul]

Interesting that this car has the 772 fan blade where my auto Z-28 LA built 03B car has the unmarked fan blade.

Paul

[ANDY M]

[ QUOTE ]
This one the guy managed to scratch the trim while trying to put the screw in and then gave up I guess. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372734-Picture198.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

The way that GM set the spped for the line to keep moving did not allow for anyone to dwell over a mistake, as the next car on the line was coming to get its part. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[COPO427]

[ QUOTE ]

Those correct plastic/metal tip air valve extensions are rarely seen on any restored Z-28

[/ QUOTE ]

I still have some of those. I didn't think they were used off the line. Something new I learned.

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372838-Picture235.jpg I'm guessing this one got blown up at the subframe at the dealership while the undercoat was still wet.

[Mr70]

Ha!..that looks like a real Dill 626 cap.
All your point deductions have just been erased.

[Salvatore]

Hey Charlie, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif that valve stem cap? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This one the guy managed to scratch the trim while trying to put the screw in and then gave up I guess. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372734-Picture198.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]
Now that is quality. Did you get a discount for the damage?

[/ QUOTE ]

never mind the discount, how many points will he be docked? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SmallHurst]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
This one the guy managed to scratch the trim while trying to put the screw in and then gave up I guess. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/372734-Picture198.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]
Now that is quality. Did you get a discount for the damage?

[/ QUOTE ]

never mind the discount, how many points will he be docked? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

That will buff!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
Interesting that this car has the 772 fan blade where my auto Z-28 LA built 03B car has the unmarked fan blade.

Paul

[/ QUOTE ]

My LA auto car has the 772 blade http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj121/70COPORSZ28/P2160018-1.jpg

[Budz]

[ QUOTE ]
FYI, The above 5/8" x 1" oblong hole wheels were only made/used on Jan-early June 70 Z-28's, before changing to 13/16" x 1" holes on late June/July Z's, which stayed through the 1974 Model Year.

It wasnt until the reintroduction of Z-28 in 77' when the ROUND hole wheels came out.

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's a link supporting Chuck's comment, to some research I did on the wheel hole size vs date "timeline" if anyone is interested.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27745&highlight=valve+hole

[Kurt S]

[ QUOTE ]
The way that GM set the spped for the line to keep moving did not allow for anyone to dwell over a mistake, as the next car on the line was coming to get its part. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
Not true. Each area had a dedicated repairman. Anything that wasn't done right could just be tagged and he would fix it while the car was still in the area or more major items could be corrected in repair bays after the rolls test.
This was just someone not doing their job. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


The 772 fan and the unstamped fan were functionally equivalent and were interchangeable. All depended on what was in stock in the plant.....

[bashton]

Anyone else out there thinking what I'm thinking?

Charlie, Darren; what do you think?

BA

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

There was a hint earlier in this thread somewhere http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[enio45]

Charley, congrats on a great piece of history.....great snag on the car!!

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone else out there thinking what I'm thinking?

Charlie, Darren; what do you think?

BA

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe someone said that Randy was in charge of the 70-73 Camaro Hi Performance Showcase. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

We'll get Tim to bring that old white Z he bought http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif. And HotrodPaul can meet him along the way with his Citrus 2nd gen collection.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Anyone else out there thinking what I'm thinking?

Charlie, Darren; what do you think?

BA

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe someone said that Randy was in charge of the 70-73 Camaro Hi Performance Showcase. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

We'll get Tim to bring that old white Z he bought http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif. And HotrodPaul can meet him along the way with his Citrus 2nd gen collection.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Funny thing D...I heard just the opposite...I heard that you did such a great job with the 69 Z showcase that you were asked to do one for next year with high performance second gen Camaros and that you accepted! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Jason pointed out to me that the 80 Z28 low mile car in another thread also is a Van Nuys built car and it also has a build sheet stuck to the dif cover... http://www.yenko.net/attachments/377251-776a_3.JPG

[firstgenaddict]

only 1 tang on the french locks are bent over... LOL

[Mr70]

You should sell the car to Jason.

[Charley Lillard]

Got the Z28 home today and carefully dusted it off and cleaned the surface a bit. Simply amazing. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385203-tn_002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385204-tn_004.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Norman said the car never had the center rear view mirror but the post is there. Is that the correct post ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385206-tn_005.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

scribe mark outside hood stripe. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385207-tn_006.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

scribe marks inside the hood stripes. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385208-tn_008.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Took the air cleaner off for the first time in it's life. The lid was stuck to the housing. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385209-tn_010.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385210-tn_011.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385211-tn_013.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385212-tn_014.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385214-tn_016.JPG

[Andy]

Have you got the car running yet Charley?

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385216-tn_017.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385217-tn_020.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385218-tn_021.JPG

[Xplantdad]

Neat stuff Charley! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385220-tn_022.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

hood latch. Notice the phosphate on it and the bolts are darker, spring is painted black. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385221-tn_018.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

There was a discussion on another thread about the lift brackets being painted orange or bare steel. These are bare steel. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385222-tn_019.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385223-tn_012.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

spacer under rubber bumper http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385224-tn_023.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

.any guesses as to where this came from. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385226-tn_024.JPG

[firstgenaddict]

charlie were the door bumpers painted like the trunk ones were?

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385228-tn_025.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385229-tn_027.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385231-tn_029.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385232-tn_031.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385233-tn_034.JPG

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Truly Amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385235-tn_035.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385236-tn_036.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385237-tn_037.JPG

[Mr70]

Can you at least replace a few CAMARO sign light bulbs for it? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[camarojoe]

OK, what's the story on that deuce 3 window I see in the shop? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[ORIGLS6]

I've asked about it before Joe. He just throws it in once in a while to tease us. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[farone]

Charley, Your lift brackets must have been changed too.... Jerry said that they are all orange.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[1969grb]

Charley, I have to ask is there a chance that the front lift bracket was painted silver from the factory? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Grady http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I'll try to look closer. I guess I never post pics of the 32 so I will post some in a different thread.

[m22mike]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385228-tn_025.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Charley
Phil "Woj" has a sweet 69 Camaro survior, this summer he showed Grady an Me the same little paper gizmo. It was also on the intake manifold. It was pushed down on one of the bolts I think http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif. We could only guess what they might be.
If phil does not chime in here, I will make sure he see's your photo's.
I love the pictures http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif kind of like opening a time capsule.
Oh yea...better break out the Orange rattle can http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jeff H]

[ QUOTE ]
Norman said the car never had the center rear view mirror but the post is there. Is that the correct post ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385206-tn_005.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Great car for historical purposes! My L78 is an 01C car and has that same early rear view mirror mount. It sucks for trying to hold the mirror in place, but that looks correct. I ended up mounting a 69 style mirror from the ceiling for safety reasons and it didn't hurt the headliner at all so I'm happy for now. The stock 2 piece mount will start to banana over time and won't hold in place. The early 70 cars had that mount before they changed to the later style that lasted through most of the 2nd gens. I would leave that mount alone for now.

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385228-tn_025.JPG


[/ QUOTE ]

I've seen these too. Just can't remember where. Maybe as a protective cap on something like a carb stud? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[iluv69s]

[ QUOTE ]
.any guesses as to where this came from. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385226-tn_024.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

isn't that the plug that I've seen on old NOS motors or intakes that goes in the oil fill hole? or dist. hole?

[70 copo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Norman said the car never had the center rear view mirror but the post is there. Is that the correct post ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385206-tn_005.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]


Great car for historical purposes! My L78 is an 01C car and has that same early rear view mirror mount. It sucks for trying to hold the mirror in place, but that looks correct. I ended up mounting a 69 style mirror from the ceiling for safety reasons and it didn't hurt the headliner at all so I'm happy for now. The stock 2 piece mount will start to banana over time and won't hold in place. The early 70 cars had that mount before they changed to the later style that lasted through most of the 2nd gens. I would leave that mount alone for now.

[/ QUOTE ]


<font color="red">That is the correct '70 only mount. Do you have the mirror and adjuster bracket for it? Once in a while they pop up on Pee bay. Keep looking and you will come across one </font>

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Norman said the car never had the center rear view mirror but the post is there. Is that the correct post ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385206-tn_005.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]


Great car for historical purposes! My L78 is an 01C car and has that same early rear view mirror mount. It sucks for trying to hold the mirror in place, but that looks correct. I ended up mounting a 69 style mirror from the ceiling for safety reasons and it didn't hurt the headliner at all so I'm happy for now. The stock 2 piece mount will start to banana over time and won't hold in place. The early 70 cars had that mount before they changed to the later style that lasted through most of the 2nd gens. I would leave that mount alone for now.

[/ QUOTE ]


<font color="red">That is the correct '70 only mount. Do you have the mirror and adjuster bracket for it? Once in a while they pop up on Pee bay. Keep looking and you will come across one </font>

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, another one of those 70 only items. I have one for my car as well..

[Jacsey 70Z]

Charlie, Your PM box is full!!

[Charley Lillard]

I would rather not replace the mirror since it was missing when sold new. Just kinda cool history.

[Stefano]

Popping the Mirror on may have been part of the Dealer prep?

[TimG]

Charley,

I keep going in and out of consciousness, please keep the pictures coming.

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
Charlie, Your PM box is full!!

[/ QUOTE ]

OK OK...done

[gb70]

That is an amazing find congratulations.

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Popping the Mirror on may have been part of the Dealer prep?

[/ QUOTE ]

I wondered that myself but just looked at that old photo of the 70s on the railway and there is a rearview mounted.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
Norman said the car never had the center rear view mirror but the post is there. Is that the correct post ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385206-tn_005.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

as stated, correct post for 1970

discussion and pictures over at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com):

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64987&amp;highlight=1970+mirror

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/1627096/6963648/93631183.jpg

seems like there was a question on which way was/is up ... still unanswered unless the assembly manual shows ...

my July 70 Van Nuys Z28 HAD that style mirror until I chucked it in the 70's or early 80's for one that stayed in place ...

[owners2]

I'm going to try to post a pic of an LT1 crate motor i have with that paper element Charlie's holding.

[owners2]

o.k. can't seem to post the pic can i e-mail it to someone who can. thank you....

[Jacsey 70Z]

I'll give it a try.

[m22mike]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm going to try to post a pic of an LT1 crate motor i have with that paper element Charlie's holding.

[/ QUOTE ]

send it to [email protected]

Mike

[Mr70]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385228-tn_025.JPG

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385226-tn_024.JPG

I've seen leather protective caps like this used on electrical sending unit contacts,connections &amp; junctions to protect them from shorting out.Based on where you found it,I'm guessing maybe it came from something electrical on the firewall,an engine compt.light,or even the idle solenoid pot below.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385209-tn_010.JPG

[musclecarjohn]

Truly wild stuff Charlie,thanks for sharing... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[CamarosRus]

Stefano, Charley and all, The fact that the mirror was missing when SOLD may be true........and evidently is part of THIS cars history.

I certainly hope that people dont take this one particular item and try to make some gospel from it......

Can anybody imagine buying a NEW car today, and driving it 1100 miles without a rear view mirror. WHY Norman would not have had this addressed is beyond all imagination.

At any rate its my opinion that EVERY 70+ Camaro left the assy line with its rear view mirror totally in place.

Somewhere between Norwood and Norman taking receipt of the car, the mirror and extension arm went AWOL........

[Mr70]

Doris has it..

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Don't you know Jackie Stewart's first rule of fast driving????

Whats Behind You Doesn't Matter!!!


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
Can anybody imagine buying a NEW car today, and driving it 1100 miles without a rear view mirror. WHY Norman would not have had this addressed is beyond all imagination.

[/ QUOTE ]

Amen, Chuck! Yet another bizarre incident in the history of this incredible car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[mockingbird812]

[ QUOTE ]
Doris has it..

[/ QUOTE ]

It is the very "tool" she used to damage the door!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385229-tn_027.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]


Does someone have an explanation as to why the stripes on the deck lid don't go all the way to the window molding? I've seen many second gen Camaros and I own one myself, but I've never seen this before. Both the 1970 Camaro brochure, and the 1970 Camaro assembly manual show the deck lid strips going all the way up to the rear window molding. Charley, I am in no way putting your car down, I think your car was a great find and in the right hands, it's just that I've never seen this before and I'm curious as to the reason.

[Mr70]

Charley
I'll bet the leather protection cap was used to cover over the NEG (Tach wire) terminal on the ignition coil.I've noticed a few there,&amp; seen them more prevalent on Tach equipped cars,then ones w/o.

[CamarosRus]

Randy, I have a lousy memory for these details........

but this stripe subject has been documented in detail at www.nastyz28.com (http://www.nastyz28.com) It a difference between Norwood and L.A. built Camaros.

PLEASE try searching in the ORIGINAL forum and hopefully you will find.

Thanks,

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

There are many examples of Van Nuys cars where the stripes stop short of the back window. There MAY also be issues with different stripe spacing.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[69 Post Sedan]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385228-tn_025.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I have seen these in the spark plug holes. Would they have been in there or are the plugs installed when the engine is assembled? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[owners2]

I sent pics to m22mike showing where that paper element goes hopefully he will post soon.

[snydes]

I second the spark plug hole "plug". Local shop still uses them.

[m22mike]

[ QUOTE ]
I sent pics to m22mike showing where that paper element goes hopefully he will post soon.

[/ QUOTE ]

Jeff...here are the 2 pic's u sent..Thanks, I learned something today http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Guy's LQQKY at the intake manifold vacuum hole behind the carb.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/LT1CRATEMOTOR007.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/m22mike/LT1CRATEMOTOR006.jpg

The one Phil "Woj" showed me on his 69 Camaro was laying on top the manifold.

Mike

[owners2]

Thanks for posting my pictures for me Mike..

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
charlie were the door bumpers painted like the trunk ones were?

[/ QUOTE ]

Door bumpers are not painted. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385574-tn_002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

tips of spoiler studs are painted. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385575-tn_008.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385576-tn_003.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385577-tn_004.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385578-tn_005.JPG

[resto4u]

Charley,your PM box is full. Thanks,Roger

[Charley Lillard]

I cleaned it out but it is still telling me I am over the limit. Maybe that is a sign ?

[Xplantdad]

Are you saving your sent messages, too? They count as well http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[kwhizz]

Are you going to start it??..........."Or".........let it sleep!............By the way......I asked the Jamaicans if they wanted to do a "Where's Charley" and the said "Screw Charley".......WTF

Ken

[snydes]

I say start it, I think it would be a shame not to at least start up the old girl every now and then. Of course great care would need to be taken getting ready to fire again, but that goes without saying. It does seem this car couldn't be in better hands for the task!

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385735-tn_001.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385736-tn_004.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385738-tn_003.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Idle stop solenoid was never hooked up. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385739-tn_007.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Left rear off for the first time. arrgh.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385740-tn_009.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

EH tag on shock http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385742-tn_010.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385743-tn_025.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Yes that is a build sheet on the gas tank with a nice dab of undercoating. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385744-tn_011.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

axle snubber http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385745-tn_012.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385746-tn_013.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

pulled a drum http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385748-tn_014.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385749-tn_016.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

cleaned the dust off http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385750-tn_018.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385751-tn_020.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

leading shoe has large groove, trailing doesn't. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385752-tn_022.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

drum looks like it has blue X on it. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385753-tn_024.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

tires ...3 had 13 lbs, 1 had 15 lbs. Means nothing but it is fun stuff for me since the orig owner and has brothers all swear they never added air to the tires. I brought them up to about 28 lbs and even sniffed some of that 1970 air. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385754-tn_031.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

all 4 tires have the same date. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385756-tn_036.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

weights http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385757-tn_038.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385758-tn_039.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

tail panel below the bumper has some of the thinnest-driest paint I have seen. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385759-tn_040.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385760-tn_043.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

carpet clips at front seat bolts http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385761-tn_052.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385762-tn_053.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385763-tn_054.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

rear seat bolt down detail showing how carpet covers it. Notice that little clip on the carpet. I have no idea what it was for. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385764-tn_056.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Why yes I am going to remove that seat...... http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385765-tn_059.JPG

[SuperNovaSS]

Those carpet clips are sweet. I have never seen them.


Jason

[Charley Lillard]

I have always wrestled the seat belt covers to where they lay flat like designed but neither of these were nice and tight like we all try for. Hard to explain if you have never done it. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385767-tn_061.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385770-tn_065.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385771-tn_062.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Why yes that is a build sheet under the drivers seat. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385772-tn_067.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

It is actually attached to a spring with a hog ring. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385773-tn_068.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385774-tn_074.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Sheet says Z28 so it must be one... http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385775-tn_069.JPG