really cool 70 Z28..simply the best.

[Jacsey 70Z]

Charlie, If you remove the bottom two bolts the shocks will extend far enough to read the dates (Thats what I did)understand if you don't even want to go that far.

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
I will have to look. It might be buried in undercoat.

[/ QUOTE ]

The one and only black printed filter I've seen had only the AC logo, "Full Flow" to the left and "Type PF 25" to the right. No stripes above and below and none of this text on the reverse side.
"THE EFFICIENCY AND CAPACITY OF THIS NEW
OIL FILTER WITH ACRON FILTERING MATERIAL
AND UNIQUE “W” FOLD EXCEEDS THAT OF THE
LONGER PF-11 OR PF-29 IT REPLACES

TIGHTEN ONE TURN AFTER CONTACTING GASKET
CHECK FOR LEAKS"

I was told by a reliable source (who you know) that it was on an extremely low-mile L78 engine from a '70 Camaro. I've seen the filter and am convinced it's legit.

[John Brown]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I will have to look. It might be buried in undercoat.

[/ QUOTE ]

The one and only black printed filter I've seen had only the AC logo, "Full Flow" to the left and "Type PF 25" to the right. No stripes above and below and none of this text on the reverse side.
"THE EFFICIENCY AND CAPACITY OF THIS NEW
OIL FILTER WITH ACRON FILTERING MATERIAL
AND UNIQUE “W” FOLD EXCEEDS THAT OF THE
LONGER PF-11 OR PF-29 IT REPLACES

TIGHTEN ONE TURN AFTER CONTACTING GASKET
CHECK FOR LEAKS"

I was told by a reliable source (who you know) that it was on an extremely low-mile L78 engine from a '70 Camaro. I've seen the filter and am convinced it's legit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Do you mean none of this ?

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387893-pf25.jpg

[chevjon396]

Charlie,
This is great car. Super nice details. could you get a detailed picture of the carb return spring. Thank you.
--------------
John Haislip
70 Z28
Mulzane Blue
Bright Blue interior
25K survivor

[ORIGLS6]

"Do you mean none of this ? "

Yep. The only print on the filter is the round AC logo, "Full Flow" to the left and "TYPE PF-25" on the right. And all the print is in Black.

[Charley Lillard]

carb spring http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387955-tn_001.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

what you can see of the filter http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387957-tn_004.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387959-tn_005.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387960-tn_006.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Notice the stuff that oozed out from between the trunk and hinge. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387961-tn_002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

very brittle stuff after 39 years. This broke off the other side as I was wiping it off...arrgh. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387962-tn_003.JPG

[Mr70]

STOP WIPING!

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387960-tn_006.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif Just as I suspected. Nothing but Black Print! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

I'll speculate this is the same as the other OE filter since I see no indication of stripes, and definitely no print on what could be the back.
Thanks Charley. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Woj]

Unbelievable car. Thanks for the trip back in time. Also, thanks for posting the details.

Phil Woj.

[Jacsey 70Z]

Trying to get to the bottom of this oil filter question, I'm trying to compare a Repop filter on Right, and what I hope is a NOS filter on left.
Hate to admit what I paid for the NOS one.. Let me know what you think.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/1627096/5979015/331839463.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/1627096/5979015/96376597.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/1627096/6842196/355303241.jpg


http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/1627096/5979015/96376591.jpg

[Mr70]

I thought the white,bottom embossed & sometimes found with or w/o w/black script filter was commonly installed during engine (break in) assembly at both Flint & Tonawanda,while the nearly same filter,but now w/blue script like yours on the left above,was available OTC and retail back then.And possibly quickly replaced the break in filter during dealer prep before the new owner picked it up too.
Charley's car may be the only one left that can answer this question..

[Charley Lillard]

I might as well remove this one and clean the undercoating off it so we can see what it actually is. I also think I will cut it open and see what the paper looks like after being in oil for 39 years.

[Jacsey 70Z]

I think your right the production filter will be different from the over the counter filter, they still do it today no need for all the silk screen on the production filter.

Charlie, Don't do anything drastic, clean yes remove and cut open I wouldn't, the paper is fine.

[mockingbird812]

he's just pulling your chain!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Verne_Frantz]

Cutting it open is a wise move Charley, since you ran it without an oil change. That will tell you a lot about the condition of the internals.

I only wish I could have the opportunity to document such a rare unmolested original '61-'64 as your car. I've gathered many bits & pieces from several cars, but not had the pleasure of spending unlimited time on one true original. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jacsey 70Z]

Charlie, One more thing, How about a VIN on the filter flange. looks like it might of got undercoated also.

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
I might as well remove this one and clean the undercoating off it so we can see what it actually is. I also think I will cut it open and see what the paper looks like after being in oil for 39 years.

[/ QUOTE ]


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif NO! NO! NO! (you goofball) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Let me check with the owner of the one I spoke of and see if he minds if I post a couple of pictures of his. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[L72COPO]

Who can post the pictures for me????????????? Let me know and I'll e-mail them to you. Assembly line oil filter off of 70 L-78 removed with 500 miles on engine.

Oops misread the previous post. Dennis go ahead and post them. Saves me from digging it out and photoing it.

[Mr70]

I look forward to seeing those Don.
Feel free to send them to me at [email protected],if Dennis doesn't post,& I will.

[Hotrodpaul]

Jack, I believe it is a LA built car like mine, so it should have the VIN stamp on the pad next to the assembly date.

Paul

[ORIGLS6]

Thanks Don. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif I'll have them up tonite. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Mr70]

Don just sent me these with this explanation..

Rick, this filter was removed from a 1970 L-78 Camaro that showed 500 miles on the odometer.I personally took it off the engine in 1988.A friend of mine had bought the car which had been converted to a race car.The L-78 had been removed when new and replaced with a L-88.I replaced all the race parts with the stock original parts which had all been saved.The oil filter was removed as we had the engine disassembled cleaned and re-assembled.The oil filter was stuck so tight that the only way I could get it off was with a punch through the body and a hammer.This was prior to the time when replacing an oil filter was not a big deal.If I only knew then.......................

Take note of the embossed wording on the bottom of the filter.Air filters weren't the only ones with this verbiage.
Don

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/stowersoil1.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/stowersoil2.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/stowersoil3.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/stowersoil4.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/stowersoil5.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/peterspix_2007/stowersoil6.jpg

[ORIGLS6]

Cool. Those are even better than the pix I have. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[CamarosRus]

Don Stowers speaks of the infamous 500 mile 70 L-78 he resurrected many years ago..............

Another woulda, shoulda, coulda, kept or bought that car....

(sigh!!!!!!!!!!!)


Cant recall if Citrus Green or Green Mist ??????? Anybody know who, what, where on this 70 SS L-78 ????? Never mind, another thread..............

[Charley Lillard]

Was a nice 61 degrees outside today so I had the Z out, started it....Squirted a bunch of Marvel Mystery Oil down the carb while at a high idle. Basically oiling everything up. Even the exhaust. Also dropped the oil filter. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388537-tn_032.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388538-tn_036.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388539-tn_037.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

cleaned the undercoating off http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388540-tn_042.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388542-tn_043.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388545-tn_039.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388546-tn_038.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

It actually looks ok inside from what I can see so it is going back on. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388547-tn_040.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388548-tn_027.JPG

[Mr70]

WoW!...that filter really does look nearly brand new.
Thanks again Charley,Don,Norman..







..and Doris. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
It actually looks ok inside from what I can see so it is going back on.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388546-tn_038.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[Jacsey 70Z]

Awesome Charlie, Thanks, Did you put it back on??

[70 copo]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388538-tn_036.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]


That is the correct assembly line filter. Brian Caudell used to reproduce them, they had the right B/W screening on the side but were not correctly embossed on the bottom. It is good to finally see the real one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
cleaned the undercoating off http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388540-tn_042.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Awesome job Charlie,what did you use to get the undercoating off with?

[Steve Shauger]

lacquer thinner

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
lacquer thinner

[/ QUOTE ]

I would have thought that would have compromised the paint finish after all those years but I guess not.

[Hotrodpaul]

Under coating will come off with Mineral Spirits or even WD-40, and the paint will not be affected.

Paul

[ORIGLS6]

Plain old Kerosene, some soft brushes and a little patience. Can't beat it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Yes I put the filter back on after filling it with Marvel Mystery oil. I had also used a ton of in the carb and the inside of the exhaust shouldn't rust anymore because I have red oil on the ground mixed in with the condensation. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388829-tn_002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

I found a couple spots on the car were it was touched up with a brush. It appears the paint got chipped when they installed the front and rear glass trim. I'm guessing the factory did the touch up. I had asked Norman and he said he never did and touch up. If he had he would have also done the door ding that made him park the car. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388830-tn_005.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

This is stuff that I have always assumed a prior had done to a car when I saw this stuff but the story of this car is pretty solid. And Norman already said he never bothered to go back to the dealer to get the missing mirror so I doubt if they did it at any time after he bought the car. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388832-tn_006.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Weatherstrip goop...Do I get points deducted ? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388833-tn_009.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Those exhaust tips should hold a bit of water. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388835-tn_025.JPG

[Mr70]

I'm really surprised you reinstalled that oil filter.
I would've put on a dependable store bought filled with Risolene,then shortly remove it & throw it away on as it will probably have some serious particles and crap in it after you start it up a lil more...You are going to excercise it a lil more,aren't you?..You could even cut the store bought in half to get a good idea what the engines like inside afterwards.
Keep the original filter in the glove box or console,or reinstall it for a special showing,as your's and Dons are probably the only two left in the real world today.

I was for you keeping the undercoating on too,but after seeing the brilliance and originality in that oil filter,I've changed my mind completely.
I'm siding with Shauger & vote for removing it all to see what other Van Nuys assembly questions she's waiting to answer.
.................................................. ....http://calivc.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smiley-so-what-do-u-think.gif

[Charley Lillard]

If I don't cut a filter apart I have nothing to worry about.

[jannes_z-28]

[ QUOTE ]
If I don't cut a filter apart I have nothing to worry about.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's the spirit! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif


Jan

[Charley Lillard]

plugs are R43....no T http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388939-tn_002.JPG

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
Under coating will come off with Mineral Spirits or even WD-40, and the paint will not be affected.

Paul

[/ QUOTE ]

I prefer mineral spirits, but the ? was what Charley used to clean the filter and it was lacquer thinner http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Nova Research Project]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/388538-tn_036.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

That is the correct assembly line filter. Brian Caudell used to reproduce them, they had the right B/W screening on the side but were not correctly embossed on the bottom. It is good to finally see the real one. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Cool to finally see one of these originals.

Is Brian still reproducing them?

Any chance of getting a square picture with a horizontal and vertical ruler for reference for the right, center and left?

Thanks,
Greg

[JohnZ]

[ QUOTE ]
John: would the "downstream" guys re-balance the wheel after applying the weights @ the grease blob, or just assume the first guy fed them the correct weights?

[/ QUOTE ]

The guys applying the weights sat right next to the roller conveyor where the wheel/tire came by horizontally. They had color-coded bins of weights between them and the conveyor, and when the wheel/tire stopped in front of them, a colored light came on (in addition to the colored wax dot on the tire) that showed them which weight to apply. When they released the wheel/tire after applying the weight, it went directly to the install point on the main line.

If the balance station detected excessive weight required to achieve balance, the conveyor kicked that wheel/tire out and sounded a buzzer for repair. A repairman then took the out-of-spec wheel/tire to a stationary mounter, broke it down, rotated the tire 180* on the wheel, re-inflated it, re-balanced it, and sent it to the line.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
Is Brian still reproducing them?


[/ QUOTE ]

I believe Brian Caudell got out of the reproduction parts business a number of years ago.

[70 copo]

That's right. I tried to get some of the assembly line look alikes around 1997 from him and it was already getting tough to get any product then. As I recall He was taking PF-25's stripping the blue off doing a white repaint and then sending them out to a screen shop for the Black imprinting.

Filters were still obvious repops, but at a glance-good enough. I suppose you could do a one off with a correct NOS embossed filter but that would be $$$.$$ easy when you are all done.

[rallysport70]

That paper gizmo Charley is holding in a number of pics is actually a magic mushroom and "this car"... is just a DREAM!
WOW! PLease, Never wake me up!!!

[Charley Lillard]

LOL...welcome to the site Rallysport70

[m22mike]

[ QUOTE ]
LOL...welcome to the site Rallysport70

[/ QUOTE ]

Me to..where you at in Oh.

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Chickened out on leaving the orig oil and filter on the car, drained the oil and changed the filter. Obvious from paint on edge of drain plug gasket that pan was painted with plug installed. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390602-002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Paint sagging on plug. I guess that side goes down. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390605-007.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Also have a coolant leak at radiator somewhere so I removed it. Fan clutch. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390607-022.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

fan date http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390608-023.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Radiator tag with the white dab of paint http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390610-025.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

orange overspray on intake http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390611-026.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

timing tab masked off before engine painted. Yes that is undercoating all over. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390613-028.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Water pump bolts painted http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390614-029.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390615-031.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

water pump http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390616-034.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

water pump pulley. Doesn't look full gloss. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390617-035.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390618-037.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

tags on transmission cooler lines http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390621-038.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390623-039.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

This is cool just because...This is where the top alternator bracket bolts to the water pump. There is a piece of wire going thru the bolt hole. There was probably a tag on it at one time. Looks like they just screwed the bolt into the hole with the wire still in it. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390626-040.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

This is it coming out the back of the hole . It still has orange paint on it. I'm thinkin this is a big points deduction. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390627-042.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

alt bracket on thermostat housing stud...no washers, just the nut. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390630-045.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390631-047.JPG

[budnate]

Charley all the undercoats pics brings a smile to my face, when I worked at the dealer we had a old guy Clint and he did them like that, you for sure got your $150 undercoat job with him,

in his defense I asked about his job one time and ribbed him about it, the machine he used was from the 50's, he said when you pulled the trigger on the machine you better be moving fast and know where the gun was aimed, it was a hokey looking knozzel like a small air gun and it did really lay down a wide swath of black goo when you hit it and it was allot of the black goo taboot, must have been the same machine and his brother doing it back there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Charley Lillard]

transmission flexplate cover bolt with washer. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390634-006.JPG

[DarrenX33]

Hey Charley, how bout the alternator. Can't recall if you posted pics of it yet. Curious about the date on that. Thanks..

[Charley Lillard]

No. Haven't taken the bracket off so it is hard to see.

[Mr70]

Nice white paint highlight on the Rad.tag.
Does the mounting end of your fan clutch stalk have any black paint on it/around on it?
Interesting how the W/P pulley mounting face has bare metal showing under it.

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
Charley all the undercoats pics brings a smile to my face, when I worked at the dealer we had a old guy Clint and he did them like that, you for sure got your $150 undercoat job with him,

in his defense I asked about his job one time and ribbed him about it, the machine he used was from the 50's, he said when you pulled the trigger on the machine you better be moving fast and know where the gun was aimed, it was a hokey looking knozzel like a small air gun and it did really lay down a wide swath of black goo when you hit it and it was allot of the black goo taboot, must have been the same machine and his brother doing it back there. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

I know what you mean about those old machines. My 70 Charger had the extra $50 undercoat job done by the dealer before delivery. The entire bottom of my car, from one end to the other, is covered in a 1/4 inch thick layer of that petrified Labrea Tar Pits goo.

[JohnZ]

[ QUOTE ]
I know what you mean about those old machines. My 70 Charger had the extra $50 undercoat job done by the dealer before delivery. The entire bottom of my car, from one end to the other, is covered in a 1/4 inch thick layer of that petrified Labrea Tar Pits goo.

[/ QUOTE ]

My unrestored/original '69Z was sold new in Toronto, and got the same dealer undercoating - it's all still there; I only worked the prop valve in the photo to verify the date.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-2/13522/PropValve.JPG

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Verne_Frantz]

John,
No offense, but that's a thin coat of black paint over everything. Not dealer undercoating.
Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Here's an example of dealer undercoating (mid-cleaning). Just as sloppy as Charley's original Z. and from the bottom up; not the top down.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j320/VerneFrantz/VLFPrivate/Linesfraneclipsm.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/391580-002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

core support mount http://www.yenko.net/attachments/391582-010.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

fuel line clamp http://www.yenko.net/attachments/391584-011.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

lettering on top of trans http://www.yenko.net/attachments/391586-013.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/391588-014.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

voltage regulator http://www.yenko.net/attachments/391589-018.JPG

[owners2]

Really cool Charley.

[bad1racing]

Charley,Truly a incredible piece of history you have there.Keep the pictures coming as they are amazing.Your photo documentation of this car will be looked at for years to come of how they were built at the time. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

Kendall http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Lynn]

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, but... I just scanned through the whole thread and did not see any pics of the leaf springs from underneath. Charley, did the rear springs have tags? Also, was there a color stripe on front of rear of the spring by the eye?

Thanks for sharing so many pics of such an amazing find.

[Hotrodpaul]

Wow, that interesting, an automatic Z-28 with manual steering. I wonder how may were delivered that way?

Paul

[CamarosRus]

I ordered my first 70 Z new with auto (in the tree) and I believe power steering.......No stats on any of these combos in Z-28's

Would be interesting to read more about, how original owner came to choosing M-40, manual steering etc etc..........

Also was it ever disclosed after original owner parked this Z-28, what he replaced it.......??????

Thanks,

[Stefano]

He was driving his Impala past the Dealership heading home from work and saw the Z28 sitting on the Showroom floor.

I know someone who has a Citrus Green Black vinyl top back interior Column Shift Z28 for sale.

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/391580-002.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Charley, what is the julian date on the box right under the part number 5679142. Can't make it out here. Thanks..

[Charley Lillard]

no paint marks on the rear leaf spring eyes. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392101-022.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

there looks like faint crayon http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392103-023.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

front spring eyes are smothered in undercoat so I have no idea what is there. There are no tags at all on the rear leafs. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392104-024.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

no tape above the subframe bushing http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392105-027.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

yellow paint on tie rod http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392108-029.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

smog pump date http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392109-031.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

3 rib radiator overflow hose. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392110-036.JPG

[Lynn]

[ QUOTE ]
yellow paint on tie rod http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392108-029.JPG

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Anyone ever see this on a first gen? Looks like the yellow paint that is painted on suspension nuts and bolts after torquing on old Bimmers.

[grantprix]

[ QUOTE ]
3 rib radiator overflow hose. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/392110-036.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey Charley, is that ribbed for pleasure??? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[169indy]

Lynn, Yes I found Yellow on my 68's (F-body)
It was more on the sleeve and orange on the tie rod ends.
Crud my car had colors all over it,,When I asked about this John Z mentioned that they were not uniformly applied as some cars were pulled and audited and received additional inspections,,,,

Jim

[Lynn]

[ QUOTE ]
Lynn, Yes I found Yellow on my 68's (F-body)
It was more on the sleeve and orange on the tie rod ends.
Crud my car had colors all over it,,When I asked about this John Z mentioned that they were not uniformly applied as some cars were pulled and audited and received additional inspections,,,,

Jim

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That might explain why most don't have all of the "happy marks" (phrase I stole from Charley) some of the restos get.

My 08A '69 had no inspection marks on tie rods. Both spindles had paint dabs, one red (almost orange) and the other white. I always assumed those were there just to distinguish left from right during assembly.

Also had the green PTB on the firewall, but I could only make out the P and the B. Don't know if the T got washed off, or was never applied.

[Nova Research Project]

I decided to try to make one of the assembly line style oil filters. First run was so so. I need to make another screen for bolder letters. I did not have measurements so the size was a best guess. I also need screen ink that does not set up as fast the current paint. It probably would have been faster to just make clear labels.

Greg



http://chevynova.org/hidden/DSCN9409sm.JPG

[1969grb]

Greg, That looks great so far. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Grady

[m22mike]

Very cool Greg... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Bring one to the Nova Nat's so we can check it out.

Mike

[bashton]

OK Charley, enough relaxing...time for an update!

Any progress on the website or are you still trying to figure out the domain name you reserved?

Bashton

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.1970z28camaro.com/ should be up with pics in a few days...

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

Cooooll

[Verne_Frantz]

That car DOES deserve a web site of it's own http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

It's better than buying a book. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[owners2]

Can't wait to check it out.Way cool Charlie..

[TimG]

Sounds like it will be at the new November event in Chicago, too. Your Z would be a good lead car for a 2nd generation Z Showcase.....

[V8TV]

One of the best threads on the Net, Charlie. It's like a cross between Indiana Jones and CSI.

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.1970z28camaro.com is up and running. I will add more stuff later like text for some of the detail shots.

[MrsBillyBobcat]

VERY COOL website Charley! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[mockingbird812]

Charley,

Nicely done. A real gem of a reference. Your photos are nice and big and easy to see details.

Simply MARVELOUS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif !!! Thanks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[bashton]

Charley, that is awesome. Thanks for taking the time to share all of this information.

The site looks great and the information is, well...informative!

Cant wait to see this car in person for the "homecoming" with Norman in November at MCACN!

Bashton

[Tenney]

Championship-level site (merits the car!) ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[markjohnson]

So they really did have factory screw-in studs and pushrod guide plates! That's something I've always wondered about. I know many people don't think Camaros were even built after 1969, but I think the 1970 Z-28 is undoubtedly the best Z-28 ever built. Maybe even the best "factory-built" Camaro of the era. Those 67-69 302 CID Z's just lack the torque of that wonderful LT-1. That LT-1 was one of Zora's babies and he loved it as such. So, we have the best, original example of the best Camaro, IMHO, ever built. And it's a Rally Sport! I'm insanely jealous.

[CamarosRus]

Bob, I would hope that the Chicago media is alerted to the story, homecoming etc etc.

Would help the gate for the show ?????????

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]

http://www.1970z28camaro.com is up and running. I will add more stuff later like text for some of the detail shots.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think your videos of starting the car with door buzzer going are great!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gifIt really brings back memories of working on cars in the 70's with those irritating noise makers!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Great job with the website!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[TimG]

How the heck am I supposed to get any work done at the office today, Charley?

[bashton]

[ QUOTE ]
Bob, I would hope that the Chicago media is alerted to the story, homecoming etc etc.

Would help the gate for the show ?????????

[/ QUOTE ]

You better believe it! A "reunion" is planned! Check out the MCACN website for a Press Release on Charley's car.

This incredible Z will be the very first car that will be scrutinized for Vintage Certification at the new show.

Bashton

[ProStreetCamaro]

[ QUOTE ]
Chickened out on leaving the orig oil and filter on the car, drained the oil and changed the filter. Obvious from paint on edge of drain plug gasket that pan was painted with plug installed. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/390602-002.JPG

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I had to register to say two things.

1st CONGRATS ON THE FANTASTIC FIND!

2nd Please tell me you used an oil that is high in zinc. Most modern oils do not have enough zinc to protect a flat tappet cam. I would hate to see a cam lobe go flat and possibly destroy that engine. This is the main reason why I joined. I am THAT concerned about that oil you used.

[musclecarjohn]

Thanks for sharing it with the world. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[tabooo]

Knowing Charlie he a supply of the old oil back in the day.

[Charley Lillard]

Patrick. I think I filled it with Mobil One and added some Marvel Mystery Oil. It will probably sit most of it's life so about the only other thing to add is something like STP that clings to the walls real well. Suggestions ?

[Mr70]

Sell it to me..

[70 Forest Green Zee]

[ QUOTE ]
Patrick. I think I filled it with Mobil One and added some Marvel Mystery Oil. It will probably sit most of it's life so about the only other thing to add is something like STP that clings to the walls real well. Suggestions ?

[/ QUOTE ]


Charley....how about Z Max? The demonstrations that I've seen on TV are pretty impressive, the stuff is actually absorbed into the metal. I'm thinking about adding it in my 70 Z along with the older version of Rotella with the high levels of ZDDP. Anyone here have an opinion one way or the other about Z Max???

[firez]

The time you have taken to put this web site together is greatly appreciated. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Hotrodpaul]

Charlie, great site! This will be a big help as I restore my 70 LA built Z-28. If you get a chance, can you post dimensions of the original stripes using a tape measure much the same way the assembly manual shows, for others that want correct stripes on their 70 LA built Z-28's.

Thanks, Paul

[Chateau Slate 66]

I just spoke to an engine builder last weekend that swears by Comp Cams oil additive to make up for the lost ingredients in most of today's oils. (i.e. Zinc, etc.)

link to product info (http://www.compcams.com/information/whatsnew/NewsDetails.asp?ListHistoryID=833414428)

[HPMIKE]

[ QUOTE ]
I just spoke to an engine builder last weekend that swears by Comp Cams oil additive to make up for the lost ingredients in most of today's oils. (i.e. Zinc, etc.)

link to product info (http://www.compcams.com/information/whatsnew/NewsDetails.asp?ListHistoryID=833414428)

[/ QUOTE ]

I would not use the sybthetic oil at all. Most modern synthetics have no additives that are necessary for older engines with flat tappet cams as they were primarily designed for moderm engines with roller valvetrains and such. You want an oil with good "cling". I would recommend Valvoline VR1 race oil and a bottle of Comp additive. Fortunately, in this case you are dealing with a car that even though it's relatively old, the valve spring pressures are modest and the parts are already mated. I guess one area that could be a potential hazard is if a lifter stuck in the bore and failed to rotate. That would flatten the cam in no time.

MB

[lzdick]

[ QUOTE ]
...Please tell me you used an oil that is high in zinc. Most modern oils do not have enough zinc to protect a flat tappet cam. I would hate to see a cam lobe go flat and possibly destroy that engine. This is the main reason why I joined. I am THAT concerned about that oil you used.

[/ QUOTE ]

Patrick,
I use ZDDPlus religiously in all of my flat-tappet engines as it has the highest zinc content on the market. In fact, I have been a distributor for several years now. If anyone is in need, let me know.

[email protected]

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[H8tulooze]

Maybe Charlie can get a forum just for his site?

[70 Forest Green Zee]

[ QUOTE ]

Patrick,
I use ZDDPlus religiously in all of my flat-tappet engines as it has the highest zinc content on the market. In fact, I have been a distributor for several years now. If anyone is in need, let me know.

[email protected]

[/ QUOTE ]

Rich....can you do better than 10 bucks a bottle? They sell for 10 bucks on their web site and Joe at the Parts Place also is selling for 10 bucks.

[Tracker1]

What about GM Engine Oil Supplement (EOS). I understand it is high in Zinc. It better be, I'm using it in my Chevelle.

[lzdick]

Sure...$9.00/bottle for SYC members.

[lzdick]

[ QUOTE ]
What about GM Engine Oil Supplement (EOS). I understand it is high in Zinc. It better be, I'm using it in my Chevelle.

[/ QUOTE ]

Both Jeg's and Summit Racing sell EOS (#88862586) for $19.95/pint. That's is double what ZDDPlus goes for...and the zinc content is lower as well.

[Chateau Slate 66]

Several of the oils from Amsoil meet or exceed the zinc/phosphorus levels necessary for flat tappet engines without any extra additives.

link to service bulletin (http://www.syntheticwarehouse.com/brochures/TSB_Flat_Tappet.pdf)

[Charley Lillard]

I didn't say "can I buy it" :-)

[Andy]

I run valvoline racing VR1 10w30 oil and a bottle of comp cams break in lube in my 406 as per my builders recommendation. I've got one of the xtreme energy hydraulic flat tappet cams in it with the high ramp rates/spring pressures and he said that was the best prevention for wiping a cam lobe. As others have mentioned, I would not run a synthetic oil.

[MJwrabbit]

Truly amazing!
Thanks for all the pics. Solved some mysteries for me!

[Charley Lillard]

Thanks...That was the idea behind the site.

[firez]

I agree, between this new site and all the pics of the 67 Z Charley posted has sure saved a lot of head aches for my son and myself. Thanks for all the time you take to help us out. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JohnZ]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyone here have an opinion one way or the other about Z Max???

[/ QUOTE ]

Here's a link to one of Z-Max's numerous consent decrees with the Federal Trade Commission over false and misleading advertising; they're in violation AGAIN, and the current complaint is in litigation. When you sell something for 50 times what it costs to make it, you make lots of money to pay lawyers to keep the FTC tied up in court and off your back, and you can spend lots of marketing money (like paying Bruton Smith millions to call his new dragstrip "Z-Max Dragway").

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/zmax1.shtm

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[rubbinisracing]

Bruton ownes Z-Max.

[firstgenaddict]

Very well put together website Charlie. Nice Photos etc.
GREAT!

[Charley Lillard]

http://v8tvshow.com/content/view/852/1/

[mockingbird812]

Nice spot Charley. You did GOOD. Gr8 car!!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MrsBillyBobcat]

Great video! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

...and like Sam said, you did GOOD Charley! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

Yup, a real natural for the camera!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[TimG]

I'm sitting here with a '70 Z with a broken nose and I have to watch that? Can't wait to get mine fixed.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Charlie thats great the way you sare the photos with everyone,your a real class act.great history within those photos.i wish someone would discover a 70 chevelle like that and share photos and history. maybe someone does have a 70 chevelle like that but does not want to share the info?
my favourite piece of history was that white and black pf-25 oil filter and all the mulitiple build sheets,cool http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

Very, very nice Charlie!

[markjohnson]

Just got back from the website. That really is a great car and you really did the Camaro Universe a great service by providing and sharing the pictures that you did. Most greedy owners would have locked that car away for bragging rights instead of sharing it like you did. The '70 Z-28 is one of the VERY few Musclecars where I actually prefer the TH400 version over the 4-speed. I just have some fond memories of driving them, clicking that horseshoe shifter and chirping those rear tires! Anyway.......kudos to you for sharing that time warp of a car.....it couldn't possibly have a better owner.

[HPMIKE]

That is spectacular.

Hopefully I can get to see it in real life one day!

MB

[SS427]

We just took a twin of your car (this one is an M22 car) into the shop so your photos are a HUGH help and should make for an excellent restoration! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

That would be Mark Mitchell's car, right Rick?

[Stefano]

So Chas has emerged as our resident TV Star. Job well done.

Can I have your autograph.....on another Check please http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
So Chas has emerged as our resident TV Star. Job well done.

Can I have your autograph.....on another Check please http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Stefano,
Maybe when you have one of your cars Vintage Certified through our program you'll get some aire time as well...
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


Very well done Charley....

[Stefano]

I'm in on the vintage certification, however I can't compete with Chas. He's from California and a natural.

MCACN heads to the red carpet.