really cool 70 Z28..simply the best.

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385776-tn_071.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385778-tn_072.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385779-tn_073.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

also on the carpet near the clip was this little punch out letter N. Looks like it came out of a IBM type card http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385781-tn_080.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

sticker that was laying on the subframe that fell off the front of the right side valve cover. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385783-tn_081.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

One shoulder harness clip has stress cracks and this car has been out of the sun for 35 years. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385785-tn_098.JPG

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Pardon me if this is a silly question but what is the significance of the sequence # on the build. It looks like your car has a 3C build date and 3684 for a sequence #

Mine id a 5E build with a 6479 sequence could someone explain the relationship for me.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[farone]

That little wire clip looks like a spring for the rear ash tray lid in the console...

[Jacsey 70Z]

You go Charlie, Now were getting some place!!

[resto4u]

Charley, You are correct.Your PM still tells me it is full. I will email you. Roger

[1randy]

i dont think i would try to start it, it would wipe the cam out almost imediatly, maybe prime the oil pump but still risky.

[Mr70]

Charley
I see you posted a pic of the one rear spiral shock.
Can you catch the other rear part number,sticker & date as well?
And if at all possible,can you relay the Front spiral shock numbers,broadcast stickers and dates from both sides too?..Pics aren't really necessary,but appreciated as I know how difficult it can be to get in these areas,especially the fronts.

I'm curious to see how close all four of these actually do match up.
Thank You..

[GaryH]

[ QUOTE ]
Left rear off for the first time. arrgh.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385740-tn_009.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't see any drum retaining spring type clips. Were they not in use at that time? I used to rip them off with side cutters and toss them. Great pics Charlie! Keep them coming. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

No it had no clips. Had a cobweb that I thought was a clip though. It will be a bit before I get near the other shocks.

[Charley Lillard]

clip on pass side head to hold temp sending unit wire. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385990-tn_004.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

cloth tape on wire http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385992-tn_005.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

same wire goes up and loops over the TCS wire harness. If I were putting this car back together I would not have looped it over. Might mean nothing but just the kind of crap I like. Also notice the pink lettering on the trans. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385993-tn_006.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

nut that holds TCS solenoid looks like it was never tightened. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385994-tn_043.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Notice how different the plating color is between the bracket and the booster http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385995-tn_010.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

also on this bracket...also notice there is "NO" pipe dope or teflon tape on any of the fittings. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385996-tn_028.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386008-tn_012.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Both of the heater hoses are ribbed and the ribs are on the bottom side of the hoses. They are also crossing over each other. In the past I have tried to keep them nice and neat. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386009-tn_013.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

wire seperators http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386010-tn_014.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Does anyone know how long between when the engine is painted that the spark plugs go in ? Are the engines test fired on the assembly line ? I have a bunch of pics of the plugs and most have what looks like orange engine paint. Like specs. Not overspray but I am trying to imagine a painted engine being test fired before maybe puddled paint is completely dry ? I dunno but it is curious. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386012-tn_020.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386013-tn_017.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386015-tn_016.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386016-tn_022.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386017-tn_025.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

A build sheet taped to the firewall and pinched between the inner fender and the bracket it bolts to. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386018-tn_026.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

PCV with undercoating.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386019-tn_032.JPG

[302moz]

I thought the original plugs had four equal width bands around them? John

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386023-tn_034.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
I thought the original plugs had four equal width bands around them? John

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not up on 70's enough but I see no reason why Norman would have changed them. He never even changed the oil.

[Charley Lillard]

Yes I squirted oil in all the cylinders. I took pics trying to see where the paint on the plugs could have come from. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386025-tn_036.JPG

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes I squirted oil in all the cylinders. I took pics trying to see where the paint on the plugs could have come from. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386025-tn_036.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Is that considered fluffing? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

All kidding aside, you are taking great photos. These will be used by many historians and restorers. Thanks

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
tail panel below the bumper has some of the thinnest-driest paint I have seen. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385759-tn_040.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

make sure NONE of you "over restore" your car by doing a GOOD paint job, you will lose valuable judging points IF your car has paint evenly applied everywhere ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Stefano]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


[/ QUOTE ]

Is that considered fluffing? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



[/ QUOTE ]

Clill has worked as a Fluffer in the past.

[SuperNovaSS]

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Good one Stefano! Charley can be quite whitty. Expect a strong comeback from that comment.


Jason

[Dayton]

[ QUOTE ]
A build sheet taped to the firewall and pinched between the inner fender and the bracket it bolts to. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386018-tn_026.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I've lost count on the build sheet tally...

[olredalert]

------Charlie,,,I was going to try to paraphrase what I have heard John H say about prep done to these engines prior to painting in relation to the spark-plugs, but I dont think I would say it right. Ill alert him to this thread and see if he can shed some light.......Bill S

[farone]

All kidding aside, you are taking great photos. These will be used by many historians and restorers. Thanks

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't want to mention any names, but......

[ORIGLS6]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386015-tn_016.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Great pix Charley. This is one helluva lot better than anything on TV.

And I'll send you a Mickey Mouse band aid for that battle scar. (Actually, I'll see if I have one with Goofy on it.) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JohnZ]

[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone know how long between when the engine is painted that the spark plugs go in ? Are the engines test fired on the assembly line ? I have a bunch of pics of the plugs and most have what looks like orange engine paint. Like specs. Not overspray but I am trying to imagine a painted engine being test fired before maybe puddled paint is completely dry ? I dunno but it is curious. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386012-tn_020.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Engines were hot-tested (using an adapter and natural gas for fuel and a slave ignition harness with a coil and plug wires that was part of the test stand) at the engine plant; it only ran for 30-40 seconds, just long enough to set the timing and check for leaks/noises. From hot-test it went to the paint booth (at 300 per hour), which was preceded by a masking operation, where they placed cardboard tubes over the spark plugs, put a piece of tape on the front pad, put a cardboard tube over the water pump shaft and hub, taped-off the fuel pump opening, masked the carb pad surface, put a coffee can over the distributor, and placed vacuum-formed plastic covers on aluminum intakes and aluminum valve covers.

The guys on each side in the paint booth had twelve seconds to spray it, and there was a de-masking area after the exit from the spray booth to remove the plastic covers, cardboard tubes, tape, etc. From there the engine was routed to the correct spot on the shipping dock for the designated assembly plant, racked (3 to a rack), and loaded in rail cars; the paint air-dried on the way to the dock.

Photo below taken in 1955 shows engines at the shipping dock being pulled off the conveyor and placed in racks - the engine state of dress as shown didn't change appreciably until the early 80's - Chevy V-8's were pretty "naked" when they left Flint V-8 (and Tonawanda).

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-2/13522/55V8Shipping800.jpg

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[Mr70]

Very good pictures from both.
Picking up in mid assembly,and in general,I thought Flint assembled as such:..no?
..engine turned upright
..TDC determined,timing pointer
..cam lifters installed
..cylinder heads attached
..rocker arms,balls,studs
..intake manifold attached
..Valves adjusted
..rocker covers attached
..Misc. bkts. & switches
..build date/suffix code stamped
..water test w/Vac gauge
..oil cavity test
..block painted
..distributor attached
..coil & spark plug wires attached
..spark plugs inserted
..temp.switches applied
..hot test
..water & oil drained
..exhaust manifolds applied
..spark plug wire supports & heat shields applied
..component verification
..racked & ready for shipping

I thought Tonawanda did their assembly order differently.
Wasn't installing spark plugs,then painting the block afterwards one of them?

[TimG]

Charley,
If I remember right, this is an LA car. Mine probably wouldn't have the build sheet under the seat.

[Verne_Frantz]

Rick,
I have seen that list in Colvin's book and questioned it. It doesn't make sense to waste paint on a motor that might fail at test. Not to mention, it would make small leaks hard to detect.
Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Jacsey 70Z]

Charlie, The only thing I'm aware of that was painted with a brush on the engine was the plug wire stansions. Take a look should see the brush marks and the orange bolts. My car had brush marks on the valve cover and down the side of the block, the splattered plug were they the rears?

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL17/1627096/6964160/67157351.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

almost all the plugs have spatter.

[Verne_Frantz]

Charley, Please save your PMs to the hard drive and clean out your box! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I have cleaned it out but it still doesn't work. Reset cookies etc but nothing. Sent emails amd PM's to Rob.

[Mr70]

That partial list came from the late Fran P.
I agree,and was hoping maybe JohnZ could shed more light on it.
Charleys plugs look like the real proof in the pudding though.

[Verne_Frantz]

The same list is in Colvin's book, along with a list of assembly order for Tonawanda. He probably got it from Fran, and its probably from the '70s.

I believe Charley's photos more than I believe that list.

Charley, Rob is probably punishing you for backing out of the moderator job http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
Why yes that is a build sheet under the drivers seat. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385772-tn_067.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Man...this just keeps getting better! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

And yes I left the sheet there. The odd thing is the sheet is fastened to the spring with a hog ring. The ring is serving no other purpose, just holding the sheet.

[SuperNovaSS]

Hmmmm, that is strange Charley. I thought the sheets were left in the car due to laziness, not intentionally. Again, thanks for sharing.


Jason

[Charley Lillard]

If you look at the opposite spring there is no hog ring at all.

[SuperNovaSS]

Now that is lazy! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Jasey...Yes the bracket looks painted with a brush and yes there is orange paint on the two bolts holding it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386266-tn_P1010798.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Valve cover bolts and my ugly fingers. Two have defined rings around the M and two don't. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386267-tn_P1010803.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Glue on valve cover for the gasket. Ran down the side before they flipped it over and installed it. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386270-tn_P1010794.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386271-tn_P1010793.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Blue on pushrods http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386272-tn_P1010788.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Does John know if they used what looks like #2 Permatex during assembly ? It looks like it on head bolts and screw in studs ? They used guide plates in 70? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386274-tn_P1010783.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386275-tn_P1010785.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

upper radiator hose #'s http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386276-tn_P1010805.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

This front bracket almost looks like it has the remains of some grey paint near the top but at the bottom is bare steel. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386277-tn_P1010809.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

negative bat cable ground wire bolt. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386278-tn_P1010812.JPG

[firstgenaddict]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385758-tn_039.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I may be insane but... Is that a remnant of a wax blob...indicating where the weight went?

[olredalert]

------Charlie,,,Were the four valve-cover bolts exactly the same length???.........Bill S

[SmallHurst]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385758-tn_039.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I may be insane but... Is that a remnant of a wax blob...indicating where the weight went?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, grease paint, but yes, that is the mark that was determined to place the wheel weight.

I work in the paint shop at the Ford KC plant as a supplier. A few years back, we had some warranty issues with yellow spot on units. Started to do some backtracking and the grease paint (using yellow titanium dioxide) was being applied too heavy and was flinging off the wheels as it was going thought its 'road test'. The paint, although cured, was still fresh and getting stained. We saw staining from storage additives from gasoline too.

I saw a question about the sequence number... I heard someone tell it a while back and I know it holds true today. When we have a issue with a unit in the plant, we always refer to it by the 4 digit sequence number. Mind you, there are 7 digits in the sequence, but we only use 4 because a unit a sequence number 10000 old should not be in the plant!! i.e.-- 204 8647 would be yelled out as sequence # 8647.

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
------Charlie,,,Were the four valve-cover bolts exactly the same length???.........Bill S

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
Valve cover bolts and my ugly fingers. Two have defined rings around the M and two don't. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386267-tn_P1010803.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

the judges are going to really hit you for the points deductions with details like that ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Valve cover bolts and my ugly fingers. Two have defined rings around the M and two don't. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386267-tn_P1010803.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

the judges are going to really hit you for the points deductions with details like that ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Points will only be deducted for ugly fingers and a manicure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Geez Jim you must have had a bad experience with judging.

[Canuck]

When disassembling various Oldsmobiles over the years (all Lansing Built) I notice a left side/right side difference on lots of fastners. The area I remember was the various componets under the dash,such as wirw harnesses and ducting. Left side held in place with Phillips Screws and right side with hexhead screws.As a lot of components were installed by different groups and fastners came from different suppliers you will see inconsistancy in bolt types.
As far as the build sheets are concerned, the one in the seat was likely put there by upholstery side of Fischer Body. I have notied them left the the back of left side bucket seats on 70-72 A bodies,depending on plant,some were hogged in and others were loose.
Great job with the photos and documentation. This tread is getting as long as "Street scenes" and "Rotting Muscle".
Keep em coming.
Paul

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
...They used guide plates in 70? http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386274-tn_P1010783.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Hell yes they did... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Charley Lillard]

pulled right front off today. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386434-tn_001.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386435-tn_002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

the min thickness is 965 and cast into the rotor but they also hand stamped it into it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386436-tn_005.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386437-tn_011.JPG

[CamarosRus]

paceme, Jim R also follows the ORIGINAL forum at www.nastyz28.com. (http://www.nastyz28.com.) I'm thinking he isn't a big fan of the trailer queen cars, Carlisle judging, and anal judges like me. Judged shows and judged cars arent for everybody.......

FYI, Jim R recently did a personal favor for me in Phoenix. I'm publically acknowledging him, as I do appreciate his act of friendship.....

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
Valve cover bolts and my ugly fingers. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386267-tn_P1010803.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

the judges are going to really hit you for the points deductions with details like that ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Points will only be deducted for ugly fingers and a manicure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/charlies_nails.jpg

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386441-tn_012.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Yes the dill cap is still stuck to the subframe. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386442-tn_014.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386443-tn_018.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Yes there is still undercoating under the nose of the car and no Chuck I will not remove it.http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386444-tn_020.JPG http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386445-tn_023.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

wiper trans bolts http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386446-tn_025.JPG

[mockingbird812]

Wonderful documentation Charley. Thanks! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


P.S. Not sure the fucia is your color though http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif . What lipstick are you wearing?

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes the dill cap is still stuck to the subframe. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386442-tn_014.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I expect with all that undercoating you will never see the date stamp on the subframe..

Great pics Charley. Keep em coming. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Steve Shauger]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Valve cover bolts and my ugly fingers. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386267-tn_P1010803.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

the judges are going to really hit you for the points deductions with details like that ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Points will only be deducted for ugly fingers and a manicure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/charlies_nails.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

LMAO, I almost fell off my chair http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif

[Dave Rifkin]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Valve cover bolts and my ugly fingers. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386267-tn_P1010803.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

the judges are going to really hit you for the points deductions with details like that ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Points will only be deducted for ugly fingers and a manicure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/charlies_nails.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

So I guess that would warrant a partial deduction; fingers are still ugly.

[njsteve]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386445-tn_023.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey, is that a partial fingerprint on the caulking in the left hand data plate rivet?

I think there are enough points of comparison that we can get a match to some UAW member from the early 1970's. Of course, that is in the completely unlikely event that he had a criminal record. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[SmallHurst]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Valve cover bolts and my ugly fingers. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386267-tn_P1010803.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

the judges are going to really hit you for the points deductions with details like that ... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Points will only be deducted for ugly fingers and a manicure. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




http://www.yenko.net/photos/data/500/charlies_nails.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

So I guess that would warrant a partial deduction; fingers are still ugly.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think Charlie needs to invest in some of this stuff.... On the Job hand cream (http://www.onthejob.com/)

Putting paint on those nails is like putting lipstick on a pig!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[olredalert]

-------I can see it now!!! Hundreds if not thousands of 1970 Camaro owners buying an extra dill cap to stick to their frame rail in an attempt to make their restorations "correct"..........Bill S

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
-------I can see it now!!! Hundreds if not thousands of 1970 Camaro owners buying an extra dill cap to stick to their frame rail in an attempt to make their restorations "correct"..........Bill S

[/ QUOTE ]

but 1st they have to spray tar all over the underside of their cars ... restoration costs plummet because no one has to spend $$$ to plate and finish the underside of the car, street repair crews & roofing contractors are mugged for their tar applicators, a black market (get it?) arises and the correct "Dill" caps are reproduced in China and sold as NOS on ebay pictured next to a "real" GM box but the ad says you can't have the box by a certain seller ...


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
paceme, Jim R also follows the ORIGINAL forum at www.nastyz28.com. (http://www.nastyz28.com.) I'm thinking he isn't a big fan of the trailer queen cars, Carlisle judging, and anal judges like me. Judged shows and judged cars arent for everybody.......

FYI, Jim R recently did a personal favor for me in Phoenix. I'm publically acknowledging him, as I do appreciate his act of friendship.....

[/ QUOTE ]

Chuck, I enjoy the cars that have been taken to "anal" levels and certainly appreciate those, yourself included, that actually TRY to document & judge "the way they were". "Trailer queens" are beautiful works of art. I respect and painfully appreciate the sacrifice that has occurred to get them to those levels. I appreciate them as much as the time capsules that are not "perfect" and as much as the barn finds that have been used to within an ounce of their life, they all are exciting to look at and read about.

"Making light" of the way that the GM line workers assembled cars in hap hazard methods 30+ years ago is a release from the sometimes all too serious outlook we all are guilty of with this old car passion.

No disrespect is meant to those that have those beautiful cars, we ALL enjoy them.


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[Charley Lillard]

Rotated the engine with torque wrench set at 78lbs. Then tapped starter and it does move. Went maybe 1/2 turn total. Fan belt # http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386671-tn_004.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

One washer hose is routed under # 3 plug wire. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386673-tn_013.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

The dist hold down bracket and the bolt both look like they have silver paint on them. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386674-tn_016.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

You can clearly see the paint brush marks on the plug wire stand. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386676-tn_018.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

grey paint http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386677-tn_019.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

bottom side is bare steel with a tiny bit of grey overspray at the edges. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386678-tn_020.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

grey on the side http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386680-tn_022.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

the rear lift bracket for sure and I think the bolt also have grey or silver etc paint. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386682-tn_027.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

plug wire stand off bracket on pass side. You can see the orange paint on the bolt head. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386683-tn_028.JPG

[Mr70]

Neat..notice the makers mark in the rear lift bkt.

My god..look how brilliant your RFI shield is.
Does it still have the instructional label inside?
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386674-tn_016.JPG

[TimG]

Cool stuff, please keep the pictures coming.

[owners2]

Has the car been driven since it's purchase??Are you going to try & start the car soon? Or do you think it needs to be torn down & gone through????

[firstgenaddict]

Does it look as though the base of the dist or intake manifold have any silver overspray, like would have come from spraying the hold down and bolt with them installed?
What about around where the lift hooks mate up?

[Seattle Sam]

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http://www.yenko.net/attachments/371168-tn_1970Z28Survivor024.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Charley, what is the finish on the hood hinges? Is there any copper paint on them? What about the springs?

Thanks,
-Sam

[Jacsey 70Z]

Silver paint is from the touch up from the Orange overspray, I understand they had a guy at the end of the paint line touching up the intake with silver paint.
Most of my intake bolts have silver on them also.
Keep up the Great work Charlie!!

[Charley Lillard]

Paint on bolts http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386866-tn_007.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386867-tn_010.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386869-tn_011.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386870-tn_012.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386871-tn_014.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386872-tn_015.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386873-tn_018.JPG

[SS427]

Fantastic photos and detail. Thanks for sharing!!!!! Definitely one of the neatest finds in many years.

Oh, btw.......Annie says the frogs have been calling your name......

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386875-tn_001.JPG

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Charley,

Does the car have a "CHART-ADAPTER ASM" ??

It attaches to the end of the speedo cable at the trans and makes a 90 deg turn. The speedo cable screws on one end and
and the other end screws to the trans.

Thanks

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[JohnZ]

[ QUOTE ]
Rick,
I have seen that list in Colvin's book and questioned it. It doesn't make sense to waste paint on a motor that might fail at test. Not to mention, it would make small leaks hard to detect.
Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

The Flint V-8 assembly sequence in CBTN is incorrect; Flint engines were painted AFTER hot-test. I spent a lot of time at Flint V-8 when I worked next door at the Chevrolet Pilot Line - a friend of mine ran the Piston Department.

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[JohnZ]

[ QUOTE ]
Does John know if they used what looks like #2 Permatex during assembly ? It looks like it on head bolts and screw in studs ?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes - they used thread sealant on head bolts and on the screw-in stud threads; both protruded into the water jackets.

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[JohnZ]

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[/ QUOTE ]

I may be insane but... Is that a remnant of a wax blob...indicating where the weight went?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, grease paint, but yes, that is the mark that was determined to place the wheel weight.

I work in the paint shop at the Ford KC plant as a supplier. A few years back, we had some warranty issues with yellow spot on units. Started to do some backtracking and the grease paint (using yellow titanium dioxide) was being applied too heavy and was flinging off the wheels as it was going thought its 'road test'. The paint, although cured, was still fresh and getting stained.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, that's the remains of a wax blob, not grease paint; GM didn't use grease paint. The Micro-Poise wheel/tire balancing equipment used color-coded wax dots dropped on the tire adjacent to the rim flange in the balancing station to indicate to the downstream weight-apply operators what size weight to use and where to apply it. I worked with the GM/Micro-Poise balancing systems for many years in Chevrolet assembly plants when I was a Production Superintendent.

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[Chevy454]

Sweet info John... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[JohnZ]

[quote
Charley, what is the finish on the hood hinges? Is there any copper paint on them? What about the springs?

Thanks,
-Sam

[/ QUOTE ]

There would be no paint on the hood hinges or springs; they were phosphated, and were attached to the fender long after paint, right after the front clip was bolted to the body.

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[Charley Lillard]

Thanks for the input John.

[Mr70]

Great info John...Thank You.

[SmallHurst]

John,

Thank you for correcting me on the wax info. My friend who was an engineer at Lansing Assembly informed me of the Micro-Poise material after I had put down my information. Thanks again for correcting me!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[hubleyman]

Hey Charley,

I'm probably the only one who hasn't congratulated you on your awesome acquisition yet, so way to go!!! (Yes, I'm as jealous as all the rest too)....

Now that I've done some brown-nosing, may I be included in the list of people who seek historical info from your cool ride (or from anyone else who has this info available)? I'm sure you have absolutely nothing else to do...

My question relates to the RS endura nose. I just painted my 73 RS Z and was wondering what finish would be correct for the mounting brackets/tabs inside of the RS nose before installation?

My nose piece (both the rubber and metal sections) was black primer prior to painting, and I purposely let the silver paint fog on to the mounting brackets. Should they have been bare metal (taped off from the factory?)? Primered? Painted body color? Blacked out after body paint?

Any suggestions from you guys???

Thanks in advance!!! Charlie

[Chevy454]

[ QUOTE ]
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[ QUOTE ]
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. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/385758-tn_039.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I may be insane but... Is that a remnant of a wax blob...indicating where the weight went?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, grease paint, but yes, that is the mark that was determined to place the wheel weight.

I work in the paint shop at the Ford KC plant as a supplier. A few years back, we had some warranty issues with yellow spot on units. Started to do some backtracking and the grease paint (using yellow titanium dioxide) was being applied too heavy and was flinging off the wheels as it was going thought its 'road test'. The paint, although cured, was still fresh and getting stained.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually, that's the remains of a wax blob, not grease paint; GM didn't use grease paint. The Micro-Poise wheel/tire balancing equipment used color-coded wax dots dropped on the tire adjacent to the rim flange in the balancing station to indicate to the downstream weight-apply operators what size weight to use and where to apply it. I worked with the GM/Micro-Poise balancing systems for many years in Chevrolet assembly plants when I was a Production Superintendent.

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[/ QUOTE ]
John: would the "downstream" guys re-balance the wheel after applying the weights @ the grease blob, or just assume the first guy fed them the correct weights?

[Seattle Sam]

JohnZ,
Thanks for the information on the hinges, and Charley thanks for posting the picture of that baby blue inspection mark!
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-Sam

[Charley Lillard]

Spark plug heat shields have screws on drivers side but none on pass side. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387068-tn_001.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

and notice dipstick tube is painted black. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387069-tn_002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387070-tn_003.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387071-tn_004.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387073-tn_006.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387074-tn_007.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387075-tn_008.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387076-tn_011.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387078-tn_013.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387080-tn_014.JPG

[Smokey]

Do you have to clean the points or were those good too??

[Mr70]

Thanks Charley.. http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_thumbs1.gif
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387074-tn_007.JPG

This shield reduces ignition
interference in vehicle radio.
TO REPLACE CONTACT SET: for ade-
quate clearance,use 1931989 (D106P)
or 1966294 (D112P) as specified.
See Delco-Remy Bulletin 6724.

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387078-tn_013.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Thats interesting. I thought that the pod for a 1112019 was a 437???

[Charley Lillard]

Click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkpuHMPnjYE)

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387106-tn_015.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

[ QUOTE ]
Do you have to clean the points or were those good too??

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes I did have to clean the points to get spark. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Verne_Frantz]

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[Hotrodpaul]

My 70 LA Built M-40 Z28 (03B Build Date) has the following distributor parts:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN0200.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN0201.jpg

I will very interested in this thread since this LA built Auto Z-28 is close to mine in build date.

Paul

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

My 0C18 has a 201. Colvin lists the 2019 as a 1973437

I always thought mine was wrong.

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[firstgenaddict]

charlie... are the stands for the plug wire shields on the drivers side painted?

[Charley Lillard]

Yes..stands on both sides are brush painted orange. Or maybe spray painted and brush painted as touch up ?

[jannes_z-28]

[ QUOTE ]
Click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkpuHMPnjYE)

[/ QUOTE ]

Cool video, congrats http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif


Jan

[elonblock]

Great video!

Hearing it start up is like "The Sound Of Music"!

[Dave Rifkin]

The sound of those solid lifters is music to my ears

[m22mike]

[ QUOTE ]
Click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkpuHMPnjYE)

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow is that ever cool http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif
Charley, your not having any fun are you http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
This whole picture thread has been a treat, thank you, we all love it I am sure.

Mike http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Jacsey 70Z]

Congrats Charlie, good choice to fire it up!! Pushing cars around gets real old.
Whats next a smokey burnout?

[Jacsey 70Z]

Charlie, I think the question above was the heat shield brackets on the drivers side, down on the exhaust manifold. Hard to tell from your pictures, but they should be Orange. Drivers side bolt on the bractet and passenger side are welded.
you see these wrong all the time.

[snydes]

Thata boy! Good to hear it run again!

[Charley Lillard]

ahh..now I understand his question. I will check. My clean barn will never be the same with all the crap that blew out the exhaust after sitting for 36 years.

[Xplantdad]

That's what's on the floor in the last pic? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Good to see you smiling and having fun...that's what it's all about... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[jbsides]

Charley,

Definitely the most useful 2nd gen info I have seen anywhere. Maybe you and Macneish oughta consider a "Definitive 2nd Generation Z/28" book for the non-computer literate...

JB

[Charley Lillard]

I plan on putting up a website with bigger pics so people can refer to them if they want info on how this one was put together. I'm really comfortable with how orig this car is from what I am seeing and the history of it. Yes there are some pics that people could care less about but some of the stuff is very helpful when trying to sort a car out that has been messed with for 39 years.

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]
Click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkpuHMPnjYE)

[/ QUOTE ]

Classic stuff...this has to be the best thread ever. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[m22mike]

[ QUOTE ]
. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/386873-tn_018.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

I have a photo of another hinge I have in my photos with this blue paint mark.
Anyone ever see this on a first generation Camaro ?
I am assuming it was a vendor thing and not done on the line. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
Or was it a line thing an inspector did after the hood was adjusted.
Neat thread, I don't think your boring anyone yet Charley. More http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Mike

[njsteve]

The blue paint mark on the pass side is a common item on the second gen hood hinge. I havent seen them on the driver's side though.

[Hotrodpaul]

Mine has the identical paint marks on both sides.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN6169.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Hotrodpaul86/DSCN6171.jpg

You can see that the paint mark was applied with the hood open, then after closing the hood, the paint ran down the hinge.

Paul

[njsteve]

The blue dripped paint flow could also have come from when the manufacturer made them and hung them upside down.

Does anyone have a definitive explanation of whether these were an assembly line or a manufacturer's inspection mark???

[Hotrodpaul]

I believe the paint marks were applied after the hood hinges were properly adjusted.

Paul

[x Baldwin Motion]

Charlie, you didn't have to drop the gas tank ? Was it bone dry?
Great to hear it run. I quickly got off the lap top and went to surround sound http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[budnate]

I am on a old laptop on vac...what video format changed at youtube?? ....Dang thing wont play just pops up a black screen........HELP http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

Very, very http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Charley http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Your picture and video posting efforts are not unappreciated http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[GaryH]

Charlie, how about a quick run down on what you did in preparation for the fire up. Did you pull the distributor and prime the pump? Drain the tank, change the oil etc.?

[Charley Lillard]

click....drives (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxim9jLW_ao)

[Charley Lillard]

Gary. I had pulled the plugs, squirted motor oil in each cylinder and let it sit for a couple days, turned with torque wrench on the crank and tapped the starter. The dist will not com out so there was no way to prime it that way. Squirted more oil in cylinders and cranked it over with the plugs out. Oil pressure light went out right away. Put 3 gallons of race gas in the tank. Had to file the points to get spark, pour gas in the carb to make it fire. When it fired yesterday there was gas leaking out of the carb from shrunken gaskets.

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387251-tn_001.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

When I pulled the float bowls off they were absolutely clean inside. Whole carb was clean. Just shrunken gaskets. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387253-tn_002.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387254-tn_006.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

front jets are 70's http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387255-tn_008.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

rears are 76's http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387256-tn_011.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

had to dig for awhile to find my clutch headed screwdrivers http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387257-tn_014.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387258-tn_016.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387259-tn_017.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Charlie...yes the nose mounts have body color misted on them. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387260-tn_018.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Yes that is undercoating on the adapter http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387261-tn_020.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387262-tn_022.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

fender bolt missed the nut on right front fender http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387263-tn_026.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

undercoating still on exhaust http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387264-tn_031.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

yes the pass side spark plug heat shield brackets are not painted and the drivers sides are. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387265-tn_030.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387267-tn_043.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387269-tn_042.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387270-tn_046.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387271-tn_041.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387272-tn_047.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Not sure how to treat the build sheet on the diff cover that is next to the muffler. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387273-tn_035.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Probably the goofiest part is that the brakes seem to work fine and I'll bet the lid hasn't been off the master cylinder since it was put on in 1970.

And no I didn't change the oil or the filter. Oil is still pretty clean.

[Mr70]

Does the ignition key minder buzzer work?

[VintageMusclecar]

Absolutely incredible thread. Talk about a time capsule!

[Charley Lillard]

Yes the key buzzer is working in the video.

[1969grb]

Charley, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Grady

[69 Post Sedan]

Simply amazing! Great job on documenting. http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/1958_headbanger.gif (http://www.clipartof.com)

[Charley Lillard]

yellow paint on drivers side end of rear sway bar. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387288-tn_038.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387290-tn_034.JPG

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes that is undercoating on the adapter http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387261-tn_020.JPG

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks Charley, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[HPMIKE]

Great stuff, thanks for sharing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

I would be very careful of the original oil filter. the filtering media is probably junk and can cause a serious problem. I could see why you wouldn't want to mess with it though. It is kinda shocking to see the condition of the inside of the carb. Looks like new. i was not as lucky with the fuel system on my low mile Hemi Challenger, The car had sat for some 25 years and the fuel system was polluted. I saved everything, but the tank and lines were loaded with a crystallized, smelly, brown junk that wouldn't just flush out. The attached pic shows what the inside of my tank looked like(still trying to figure out how to get the pic to show up in the post). Looks like rust, but it wasn't. If you scraped it with your finger, there was virgin metal underneath. The carbs were removed from the motor and drained so they survived unscathed.

Very cool stuff. I have had the fortunate opportunity to view many low mile survivors in my day, but your Camaro is probably one of the best if not THE best.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

MB

[GaryH]

Thanks for the reply Charlie. Yes, the inside of the carb is amazing! I figured the gaskets would be shriveled up though. Heck, they didn't last a year back then let alone almost 40. The newer ones are much better. I'm with Mike on the oil filter & gas tank thing. I would suggest an oil and filter change if you plan on running it. If the filter comes off ok you could always spin it back on for judging. I just wouldn't run it till it was spun back off though.

[DarrenX33]

Does the ignition lock cylinder have the red paint on it or bare? Great stuff Charley. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Sebert (Seeb)]

WOW !!! that is a dream come true for sure http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gifMy chevelle sat for eleven years and all seemed fine with the gas tank for the small use I gave the car the first year. After going through everything on the car and taking a few rides of more than a couple of miles I started to have a problem. Apparently the "crystallized, smelly, brown junk" was slowly becoming dislodged and intermittenly causing a fuel pressure problem. I was carrying spare filters and changing them frequently( I even added a filter before the pump). Eventually changed the pump and then the tank and lines after a year of being unable to get the tank clean. (The local shop said the tank was too far gone to clean.)

[Charley Lillard]

I was worried about the gas tank until I took the carb apart and saw there was nothing but a clean carb with no residue. So I am going to assume the gas tank looks the same. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Mr70]

simply amazing..THIS is a Benchmark car...period.
Norman needs to be Knighted,and Doris needs to be elevated to Sainthood.
If you hosted a Car-B-Que..boy would they come now.
I know I would.

[Johnny Horsepower]

[ QUOTE ]
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gifMy chevelle sat for eleven years and all seemed fine with the gas tank for the small use I gave the car the first year. After going through everything on the car and taking a few rides of more than a couple of miles I started to have a problem. Apparently the "crystallized, smelly, brown junk" was slowly becoming dislodged and intermittenly causing a fuel pressure problem. I was carrying spare filters and changing them frequently( I even added a filter before the pump). Eventually changed the pump and then the tank and lines after a year of being unable to get the tank clean. (The local shop said the tank was too far gone to clean.)

[/ QUOTE ]

When I first got my Hemicuda, it was cutting out at the end of 1/4 mile runs. Seem to be fuel, and sure enough the "sock" filter out of my tank was filled with junk as well. My guess is my Hemi car was sitting for many years in a collection before it got to me.....now it gets exercised regularily.
With those clean carbs maybe Charles is right.

Great job by the way Charlie!! Except now I feel like I have to go over my whole 70 Z28 and take advantage of this benchmark car.
Keep the pics comin! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

John

[Charley Lillard]

Bare.. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387424-tn_002.JPG

[JoeG]

Great Job..!!!...This turned out to be one of the best info posts........There is so much to look at, I might have missed if there were any tags on the rear end plug...or rear end bolts.......

[Charley Lillard]

I spoke to Norman today and we talked about his car running again after 36 years. He told me he found out Doris passed away in December. In talking about the car and paint quality he remembered and told me about what looked like a D lightly scratched in the nose piece and sure enough it was there. It was there when he got the car. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387429-tn_020.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387430-tn_032.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

I stuck my camera under the spare tire. Notice no paint on the edge of the rim. Also the tie strap on the jack. There is another of those straps on the trunk floor. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387431-tn_018.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387432-tn_019.JPG

[Charley Lillard]

Also looks like silver paint on head next to intake bolt. Other areas are too hard to tell or bare. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387434-tn_007.JPG

[Steve Shauger]

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Also looks like silver paint on head next to intake bolt. Other areas are too hard to tell or bare. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387434-tn_007.JPG

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My understanding is that area was painted with aluminum/silver paint to cover bare metal between head and intake. This also why the intake bolts,engine lift brackets and distributor hold down had aluminum overspray. I believe this is why the wirestands were touched up by brush (due to silver overspray). These are the areas/details jewels of information that can only be found on true survivors.

Any overspray on the valve covers??

[firstgenaddict]

Apparently the the drivers wire shield brackets were installed before the engine was painted... the pass were one piece and installed afterwards. It may have to do with how the manifolds are shaped... mid exit on drivers vs rear on the pass.

It looks like the silver was sprayed in order to protect the bolt heads from flash rusting.

[m22mike]

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Also a great shot of the trunk spatter detail. This one seems to be a more stringy one, as compared to the round blobs.

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[firstgenaddict]

SIMPLY AWESOME!... Are you going to be taking it to the Camaro Nats in June?

[Charley Lillard]

Probably not. Too much to ship it back and forth. I will probably attempt to have it at whatever show Ashton puts on in Chicago in November. I can then get Norman and his brothers there with the car also.

[KENNY_PASCOE]

GREAT TRUNK SHOT. FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON LA CARS THE TRUNK SPATTER IS STRINGY COMPARED TO THE NORWOOD CARS. KP

[TimG]

I'm lovin this, thanks for the shots, Charley.

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[L72COPO]

Darren did it.

[Hotrodpaul]

Charley, when you get a chance, could you update the hood and trunk stripe dimensions called out in the 1970 Camaro Assembly manual on sheets B2 and B3 of the Z28 option code using your car for reference, then post them for all to see? The dimensions shown are for Norwood built cars. Thanks,

Paul

[TimG]

Were the LA stripes the same as the Norwood stripes? I think the LA stripes in the rear stopped before the window and Norwood stripes didn't.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Charley...does your air filter element have the square mesh or the diamond shaped mesh? Can you post a pic?

[Jacsey 70Z]

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This is from page 35 of this huge thread.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Thanks Jack, I must have missed it there. There is a guy selling one of these elements in the for sale forum, and he claims this filter is not correct for pre 1974 cars off the assembly line. I noticed that there are 2 distinct types of mesh used on these elements...a diamond mesh as is displayed here, and a square mesh, and both types carry the same AC part number A212CW. I would be interested to hear your opinion on this subject and if the element displayed here on Charleys car is the correct air filter element for a 1970 Z28 (which I'm sure that it is) Thanks!

[Jacsey 70Z]

Hard to argue with the element on Charlie's car, I think original cars like this will change the way we look at a lot of things.
I have a square mesh A212CW on my car which is a repop, I think now I would go with the diamond mesh.

[Charley Lillard]

There is no way this has ever been changed. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/387720-tn_021.JPG

[COPO 70 RS/Z28]

Here is Ricks explanation from the other thread. I think it backs up the originality of Charley's

"I think Mark's correct in his original description about this.
True,they did use cross mesh as well as diamond mesh filters on several assembly lines during the same time peroid,but those that started "Best Way To Protect Your Engine-Replace With AC Type A212CW" were what AC was producing during the late 1960's into early 1970's.
Sometime during 1974,they dropped the words "Best Way To",and adopted the shortened version that Marks shows.
I talk among other parts hounds about these when they come up for sale,and we reference them Best Way or NOT Best Way filters.
I consider Charleys filter the original assembly line installed filter,and Marks correct for a 1974 or later assembly.
That yellowing is the original capture oil they saturated these with back then."

Interesting details !!!!!!!!

Charley, this thread is awesome!!!!

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[70 Forest Green Zee]

I agree Charley...yours looks to absolutely be the original! This has been a great thread for second gen owners....thank you Charley for taking the time to post all of the pics and information! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I registered a domain name to host a website for a ton of pics but forgot what I named it....

[parkbrau]

Maybe www.really cool 70 Z28..simply the best.com ???

[m22mike]

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Charley..it gets worse http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif it helps to start writing things down...problem is you may not be able to find the paper. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

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[DarrenX33]

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Darren did it.

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[Hotrodpaul]

I think it would be great if the pics and reference dimensions were posted in a special section of nastyz28.com, the second gen website.

Paul

[Xplantdad]

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Darren did it.

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I think so, too! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ORIGLS6]

I asked this under Mark's thread about the Air Cleaner but I guess it should have been here, http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif so........

Charley,
Without going back through all the photos you've posted already (and again, THANK YOU! ), can you tell me if the oil filter is printed (AC logo), and if so, is it in Red and Blue or just in Black? I remember a shot of the side and bottom showing the bottom embossing but I don't think it shows any logo imprint.

[Charley Lillard]

I will have to look. It might be buried in undercoat.

[Mr70]

..and all 4 spiral shock numbers & dates when you get a chance please. arrrrgh! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I can't get the info on the front shocks without removing them. I looked. I'm not going to remove them.

[Mr70]

A band of Silly Putty can really help get in there and make an impression,(works well on Ex. Manifold dates too),but either way November can't come soon enough now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[njsteve]

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How about www.WE ALL HATE CHARLEY.com? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Awesome car. I love the daily archeology lessons. Keep 'em coming.